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Why didn't you sell radiance 55 mins in the game? Also why go radiance in the first place?
if you have radiane as first item after boot, it means you'll be farming or either split pushing the whole game. its so good.
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Yeh I should have upgraded the diffusal blade, but ingame I wanted to use my charges first. Now I think about it, it would have been more than worth it. BOT were however a must that I skimped out on.

I got radiance for the ability to push the lanes out more effectively. (I also think I burned down riki once or twice...) What would you rather get on PL?

It depends on when exactly did you get that diffusial blade. If you get it right after the radiance (or radiance + yasha), you should have used up the 8 charges before you earned all that gold for heart manta butterfly. If you haven't, you need to consider using them more generously.

If you went for it later than that.....well get it sooner next time. If you get it too late, the mana burn effect will eventually be irrelevant and it will act like an activatable purge item.

I do believe that the purge charges are more valuable than the manaburn orb itself, however when it comes to late game, your full 6-8 illusions + manta illusions will make the switch from lv1 diffusial to lv2 a very significant DPS upgrade. It is also possible to burn off enough mana to cut off spell combos of INT heros if you jump on them fast enough. Obviously can't do that with a lv1 diffusial late game.

I will say this though, against that particular line-up in your game, lv2 diffusial won't do as much as I said it would. But of course, if you have the gold for it, it won't hurt to have an item upgrade like that.



I myself go brown boots > drums > treads > yasha > diffusial > manta > heart > butterfly > BoT. Basically your exact build swapping radiance for drums. Much easier to farm and can get online faster in an even game. Radiance build is for people who can find enough space in the game.
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It depends on when exactly did you get that diffusial blade. If you get it right after the radiance (or radiance + yasha), you should have used up the 8 charges before you earned all that gold for heart manta butterfly. If you haven't, you need to consider using them more generously.

If you went for it later than that.....well get it sooner next time. If you get it too late, the mana burn effect will eventually be irrelevant and it will act like an activatable purge item.

I do believe that the purge charges are more valuable than the manaburn orb itself, however when it comes to late game, your full 6-8 illusions + manta illusions will make the switch from lv1 diffusial to lv2 a very significant DPS upgrade. It is also possible to burn off enough mana to cut off spell combos of INT heros if you jump on them fast enough. Obviously can't do that with a lv1 diffusial late game.

I will say this though, against that particular line-up in your game, lv2 diffusial won't do as much as I said it would. But of course, if you have the gold for it, it won't hurt to have an item upgrade like that.



I myself go brown boots > drums > treads > yasha > diffusial > manta > heart > butterfly > BoT. Basically your exact build swapping radiance for drums. Much easier to farm and can get online faster in an even game. Radiance build is for people who can find enough space in the game.
The micro man, the micro
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I am looking for answers
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What's with all the Windranger+Drow shipping?(in Fan art)
I'm new to this game(but not MOBA) and I'm a bit of an artsy fanart sort of person. Windranger is my favorite Hero so I was clicking around Deviant art and google images and noticed there's a lot of Windranger+Drow Ranger stuff, nodding towards a romantic relationship...
This isn't canon is it? Or is it just a playerbase myth thing that got shuffled around(Similar to the Shyvana and Jarvan relationship in LoL that doesn't exist but is for some reason still beleived)
Whats with all the DrowxWindrunner shipping, where'd that come from?
(Not ment to sound negative, It's actually pretty damn adorable, imo)
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If you got the micro think PL is the way to go. I miss the days of PL + QB bug.

Dammit Harris! Midas every game!

Hey Fran, not the best in lore but in Dota 1 I believe they used the Slyvanas and her altered model for WR/Drow.

Dota lore is weird and complicated since it used a lot of WC models and now we're in this weird place where we're not allowed to use their original names. I'm not even sure what lore I know is canon or not.

Like Veno's. I think he was just some random dude who fell into acid and bam, new hero.

Think most of us cares about gameplay and nobody ever got around to making any canon lore. Some of the original lore for the heroes was silly.

WR/Drow also had ally/rival lines really early in Dota 2 so I guess people's imaginations went wild.
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I am not afraid of the micro that PL requires, it's just a bunch of boxing and a-moving.

I agree with you though, Midas every game! I like to play invoker mid and I've been realizing I've not been spending, nor being forced to spend my cash before I have 1.5k, so there isn't really a reason not to go Midas.
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Yeh I should have upgraded the diffusal blade, but ingame I wanted to use my charges first. Now I think about it, it would have been more than worth it. BOT were however a must that I skimped out on.

I got radiance for the ability to push the lanes out more effectively. (I also think I burned down riki once or twice...) What would you rather get on PL?

It depends on when exactly did you get that diffusial blade. If you get it right after the radiance (or radiance + yasha), you should have used up the 8 charges before you earned all that gold for heart manta butterfly. If you haven't, you need to consider using them more generously.

If you went for it later than that.....well get it sooner next time. If you get it too late, the mana burn effect will eventually be irrelevant and it will act like an activatable purge item.

I do believe that the purge charges are more valuable than the manaburn orb itself, however when it comes to late game, your full 6-8 illusions + manta illusions will make the switch from lv1 diffusial to lv2 a very significant DPS upgrade. It is also possible to burn off enough mana to cut off spell combos of INT heros if you jump on them fast enough. Obviously can't do that with a lv1 diffusial late game.

I will say this though, against that particular line-up in your game, lv2 diffusial won't do as much as I said it would. But of course, if you have the gold for it, it won't hurt to have an item upgrade like that.



I myself go brown boots > drums > treads > yasha > diffusial > manta > heart > butterfly > BoT. Basically your exact build swapping radiance for drums. Much easier to farm and can get online faster in an even game. Radiance build is for people who can find enough space in the game.
I actually got my diffusal blade before the radiance, after brown boots and midas, expecting I could team fight more, until people started leaving, then I realized I needed to farm radiance for faster flash farming. (I got caught at 3.8k gold twice ;; ) .

I should have been more free with my diffusal charges

I went boots, midas, diffusal, radiance, treads, heart (I needed to be more tanky, relied on radiance burn and illusion manaburn for damage), yasha, manta, dropped midas and got butterfly.

In the end money really wasn't a issue, I should have spent it.
Edited by RlndVt - 3/5/14 at 4:10am
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I can never have a fun AM game in pub. By the time i come online the team has feed so hard even their 4rth lowest player has same farm as me.
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I can never have a fun AM game in pub. By the time i come online the team has feed so hard even their 4rth lowest player has same farm as me.
It's pretty much impossible to super late game carry in pubs unless you have someone to support you that you know is good
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The micro man, the micro
I do micro. Or did.

Haven't played him in a long time.
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Dammit Harris! Midas every game!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
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I actually got my diffusal blade before the radiance, after brown boots and midas, expecting I could team fight more, until people started leaving, then I realized I needed to farm radiance for faster flash farming. (I got caught at 3.8k gold twice ;; ) .

I should have been more free with my diffusal charges

I went boots, midas, diffusal, radiance, treads, heart (I needed to be more tanky, relied on radiance burn and illusion manaburn for damage), yasha, manta, dropped midas and got butterfly.

Hmm.....

Midas rush is a good choice, as farming item is best gotten early, but your build order after that is "not very natural". A lot of risk was taken because all 4 of the brown boots, midas, diffusial and radiance do not add a single point in HP. With so many items before the radiance and no HP bonus, that gave a lot of time for the enemies to pick you off if you're not careful while farming. I guess it helps if you said you got caught at 3800gold at the right time.

In normal situations (assuming even game no leavers), if I aim for radiance I would have gotten it as early as possible, that means either treads + radiance or boots > midas > tread,s > radiance. If I gotten diffusial already, I would have never looked back. Play aggro and rush to manta directly because that's the period where the diffusial shines. Going back into radiance farming seems strange (although it was nice to have in that game of yours)

Also, I kind of suggest manta before heart for PL. Heart is a must-get item for PL no doubt, but it only makes you a generic tanky hero if you dont already have some illusions in the first place. Manta helps a lot in a head-on teamfight as an intiation. With just the heart and no manta, you might find yourself hitting an enemy for 3 or even 5 times and not get a single illusion(1 from lance and thats it), but you TRIPLE the proc chance just by manta spliting. Just seems to me that starting from 2 (self + lance illusion) never gets me anywhere, but starting with 4 (self + lance + manta) always get me full illusions in 2-3 seconds.
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I can never have a fun AM game in pub. By the time i come online the team has feed so hard even their 4rth lowest player has same farm as me.

Same here. Sometimes even when I manage to get battlefury at acceptable timings (15-16min) despite being heavily harassed, my joy quickly desipates as my teammates fail to provide the timely lockdowns I need to whack face. Same goes for heros like PA. My record is almost universally bad for all melee carries except Chaos knight.
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