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I do micro. Or did.

Haven't played him in a long time.
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Hmm.....

Midas rush is a good choice, as farming item is best gotten early, but your build order after that is "not very natural". A lot of risk was taken because all 4 of the brown boots, midas, diffusial and radiance do not add a single point in HP. With so many items before the radiance and no HP bonus, that gave a lot of time for the enemies to pick you off if you're not careful while farming. I guess it helps if you said you got caught at 3800gold at the right time.

In normal situations (assuming even game no leavers), if I aim for radiance I would have gotten it as early as possible, that means either treads + radiance or boots > midas > tread,s > radiance. If I gotten diffusial already, I would have never looked back. Play aggro and rush to manta directly because that's the period where the diffusial shines. Going back into radiance farming seems strange (although it was nice to have in that game of yours)

Also, I kind of suggest manta before heart for PL. Heart is a must-get item for PL no doubt, but it only makes you a generic tanky hero if you dont already have some illusions in the first place. Manta helps a lot in a head-on teamfight as an intiation. With just the heart and no manta, you might find yourself hitting an enemy for 3 or even 5 times and not get a single illusion(1 from lance and thats it), but you TRIPLE the proc chance just by manta spliting. Just seems to me that starting from 2 (self + lance illusion) never gets me anywhere, but starting with 4 (self + lance + manta) always get me full illusions in 2-3 seconds.
Same here. Sometimes even when I manage to get battlefury at acceptable timings (15-16min) despite being heavily harassed, my joy quickly desipates as my teammates fail to provide the timely lockdowns I need to whack face. Same goes for heros like PA. My record is almost universally bad for all melee carries except Chaos knight.

Same with PA too. Only Carries i can play in pubs is ones with good ult like Luna and for some reason i do really good with Medusa.
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I can never have a fun AM game in pub. By the time i come online the team has feed so hard even their 4rth lowest player has same farm as me.

AM has one of the lowest win rates on dotabuff like 40%. I think only Io, Chen and Earth spirit have lower win rates than AM. Unless your in a stack or the team is just bad playing AM is tough in pubs.
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Speaking of Earth Spirit, does anyone here play him?

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i used to before the latest patch. It was so OP, won like 60-70% of the games i played it
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Same with PA too. Only Carries i can play in pubs is ones with good ult like Luna and for some reason i do really good with Medusa.
PA handles stress better than AM because of daggor farming, but she farms slower than AM in the jungle due to absence of blink.


Try chaos knight for melee carry. he might surprise you. He is extremely strong early game with just treads and drums, he just farms heros instead of creeps.
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AM has one of the lowest win rates on dotabuff like 40%. I think only Io, Chen and Earth spirit have lower win rates than AM. Unless your in a stack or the team is just bad playing AM is tough in pubs.
he's winrate increase's alot late game.

there was a graph which showed the WR early and late.
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If you got the micro think PL is the way to go. I miss the days of PL + QB bug.

Dammit Harris! Midas every game!

Hey Fran, not the best in lore but in Dota 1 I believe they used the Slyvanas and her altered model for WR/Drow.

Dota lore is weird and complicated since it used a lot of WC models and now we're in this weird place where we're not allowed to use their original names. I'm not even sure what lore I know is canon or not.

Like Veno's. I think he was just some random dude who fell into acid and bam, new hero.

Think most of us cares about gameplay and nobody ever got around to making any canon lore. Some of the original lore for the heroes was silly.

WR/Drow also had ally/rival lines really early in Dota 2 so I guess people's imaginations went wild.

Gotta admit, they make an adorable couple though.

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Why didn't you sell radiance 55 mins in the game? Also why go radiance in the first place?

Radiance is a good item on PL. His illusions also get burn damage. Making it ideal for split pushing strats. Same with Naga. Its not really a useless item as it also gives +65 damage.

I will say he should have upgraded to diffusal blade level 2, only costs 850 gold and it does more damage.
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Anytime a teammate picks PA game is pretty much lost for me(or a jungle LC).

TB is a pain to deal with if you don't have good aoe/counterpush - he can take down the tier1 by himself in 5 minutes if he's competent.

I've been playing offlane void pretty successfully - roam at lvl 6 and play him as a 3/initiator (or 2 if everyone is awful) . Much more successful than playing support.... 8-2 in my last games with him (including some safelane void)
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i used to before the latest patch. It was so OP, won like 60-70% of the games i played it

 

I've only tried playing him after the patch. Haven't been having much success. I can land his skills without too much difficulty, but I feel that I'm not getting rewarded.

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