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And good players, or een decent ones can trigger linkens with less important spells and then do the main spell

Good players can also use that small window of time to escape. These are extremely useful to heroes like weaver specially against doom or hex.
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So is there a meta in this game? I have no idea how the lane setups are supose to go, or team compositions.

The meta is always what the pros are doing. Once you start doing inhouses (10 man lobbies with interested players) you'll find more variations to these and generally more rewarding games. The only downside is that it doesn't impact your MMR.
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So is there a meta in this game? I have no idea how the lane setups are supose to go, or team compositions.
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There really isn't a "meta" almost every hero can go any lane and even woods. Depends on what type of role you're going with. It isn't like LoL where Oh I'mma pick this champ so top is mine all the time and make it so predictable and boring.

True. Compared to LoL the lanes and the meta is much more versatile, and since 6.79 it's been changing a lot
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Dendi on "meta"

Those who believe in a meta-game philosophy are simply wrong. In regards to roles, Dendi believes a truly strong Dota player can excel at any role he plays because of his/her astute understanding of the game.
Edited by Toxsick - 3/9/14 at 12:01pm
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Well I mean like an understanding of the meta game for ranked. I like playing ranked soloque and ranked games.
right now I'm playing windranger and soloing mid or solo top/duo top.
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You shouldn't really be seeing it as top and bottom, but safe- and off-/hardlane. Because the map is asymmetrical Radiance bot is safer than Radiance top, whilst the opposite is true for Dire side (top safe, bottom off).

WR is usually run as a support (shackle is great), but I get the feeling you are running her more like a soft carry, which also works. IMO if you are going to play her as a carry she works best in a solo mid or hard-lane.

People, correct me if I'm wrong btw.
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You shouldn't really be seeing it as top and bottom, but safe- and off-/hardlane. Because the map is asymmetrical Radiance bot is safer than Radiance top, whilst the opposite is true for Dire side (top safe, bottom off).

WR is usually run as a support (shackle is great), but I get the feeling you are running her more like a soft carry, which also works. IMO if you are going to play her as a carry she works best in a solo mid or hard-lane.

People, correct me if I'm wrong btw.

I can't stand supporting. I'm playing her as a carry. playing her mid a lot so i can gank top and bot. A bit form Pro LCS plays is give the lane a hard push and then use windranger's speed to gank a lane and make plays.

right now I'm 17-15 win loss with windranger, even after playing with a "Friend" who (probably)intentionally lost 2 games in a row for me.
I'm running items like Daedelus, Orchid, MoM, shadowblade and phase boots, basing my builds on the ideas I've had as an ADC in LoL, and it works well. being able to split and escape quickly or cuase the maps attention to shift towards me or force a 4+1 split push. as well as being able to peel off a lane and help people in the jungle when we catch enemies.
I've carried a few games so far(mind you we all suck so its not impressive tongue.gif ) But I'm just running off my understanding of game flow and map awareness from LoL. It's helpful to have previous experience.
I'm going to pick up Drow and Mirana as alts for windranger.

I'm just learning the game and "transfering" my experience right now.

I'm going to eventually learn all the female heros. but windranger, drow, and mirana are my focus atm.
Mirana reminds me a lot of Nidalee from LoL, which was one of my favorites. the jump and stun arrow with ranged attack is very fun.

And yes when i play i request mid/top lane as a solo. I find 2v1'ing in top lane to be much easier than in LoL. and in top lane i can focus on gainig levels and trying to out CS my enemy laners, and thats much easier in a 2v1 situation.
Edited by FranBunnyFFXII - 3/9/14 at 2:50pm
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If you want to carry, pick a heavier carry. Drow is probably the most DPS on the list.

WR isn't a heavy carry and sounds like you trying to force her into that position. Her support is kind of weak too, she's useless without the levels.

I like her solo off but she's not that great mid. Most of the time solo off, I'm more concerned about preventing the enemy carry from getting XP than my own CS.

Mid, you just have better mobile heroes or CC to gank with.

Maybe main Mirana. WR is still an int hero and doesn't scale well to end game unless you snowballing.

Tox, teach me support Drow! I still can't make it work!

I agree with Dendi about player roles but I think Puppey does the actual meta gaming for Navi.
Edited by evilferret - 3/9/14 at 3:29pm
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If you want to carry, pick a heavier carry. Drow is probably the most DPS on the list.

WR isn't a heavy carry and sounds like you trying to force her into that position. Her support is kind of weak too, she's useless without the levels.
I like her solo off but she's not that great mid. Most of the time solo off, I'm more concerned about preventing the enemy carry from getting XP than my own CS.
Mid, you just have better mobile heroes or CC to gank with.

Maybe main Mirana. WR is still an int hero and doesn't scale well to end game unless you snowballing.

I can't just "pick" a character I play characters that have personality synergy. Same reason I can't play male heroes, because they don't feel right for me to play.
There are even pro LoL players who have this conception, such as PigLet from SK T1 season 3 world championship ADC. He has a phenominal score with his female roster.
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On male champions, Piglet is a below average 4-7 record. He's tried some Twitch, Varus, Ezreal and even some Lee Sin in his time, but he just doesn't get along well with male champions.

On female champions, Piglet is 26-2. Yeah, you heard that right -- Piglet, all-time in professional games, has won twenty six out of his twenty eight games on female champions. With a 13-1 record on Caitlyn, 10-1 on Vayne, and a perfect 3-0 on Miss Fortune, Piglet is truly the Ace of Queens. Some men are only made for one woman, but Piglet is the true romancer of Korean League of Legends, holding the most insane stat in history. Whatever the reason, he just performs out of this world on female champions, but can't do anything when he is paired with a male champion in lane.

Some people have a psychological advantage or disadvantage with certain types of characters/heroes/champions/avatars ect. From pro players to new players, Synergy is a very strong psychological influence in games.
Windranger was the hero that drew me into the game in the first place and made me want to play DoTA2 in the first place, Drow is inticing, but while she shares a very similar attitude towards things that I do, she doesn't have as strong a synergy that I do with windranger.

On windranger with orchid and dadelous, she's pretty devistating and she's pretty capable of kiting. The games I've played with drow, she does feel like she does a bit more damage, but lacks the escape and repositioning that I really like about Windranger.

In LoL my highest champion synergy was Shyvana, her being my most played and highest success rate for 3 seasons. I've never gone negative or less than 54% win ratio with Shyvana. Elise and Ahri being my alts with Elise being my mid/top/jungle preference, ahri being my AP Carry(Mage) and AD Carry(trinity force ADC).

Ahri was never designed to be an ADC, but thanks to the items in LoL, and the way she works, she ended up being my best ADC pick, better than my "true" ADC picks. And this i attribute to her being not only a champion that I dont have an issue playing that is inhibited by my msucle problems, also because she was so synergetic with me
Windranger's personality is very similar to Ahri's but doesn't have the sexual attitude that Ahri did.


Note: ADC=Ranged attack damage carry, AP=Magic Damage based mage that uses its skills that scale on the items they get)

also i absolutely loathe and hate and avoid supporting.
Edited by FranBunnyFFXII - 3/9/14 at 3:49pm
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If you want to carry, pick a heavier carry. Drow is probably the most DPS on the list.

WR isn't a heavy carry and sounds like you trying to force her into that position. Her support is kind of weak too, she's useless without the levels.

I like her solo off but she's not that great mid. Most of the time solo off, I'm more concerned about preventing the enemy carry from getting XP than my own CS.

Mid, you just have better mobile heroes or CC to gank with.

Maybe main Mirana. WR is still an int hero and doesn't scale well to end game unless you snowballing.

Tox, teach me support Drow! I still can't make it work!

I agree with Dendi about player roles but I think Puppey does the actual meta gaming for Navi.
M i d a s g a m i n g

Support Drow? you krazy ef haha.

When you get level 6 you Basicly have a dd. so much dmg., but whenever you get into melee you're so dead and lose dmg.
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