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Glad i'm not the only one who feels that way. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but the lack of any communication puts you at a massive disadvantage. Im kinda shocked at the amount of foreigners we get on american servers, the lag has to be a concern of theirs, so why come onto US servers? They must not like the lack of communication either, but for some reason almost every other game I play is loaded with them.

Players playing outside their "server" makes sense in a few cases. Example. a lot of SA players actually have better ping to USE than the SA server due to how the network infrastructure is set up.

Select RU players and EUW being another case.

I don't feel language is a barrier. If the skill is there, pings and chatwheel covers everything you need for a pug.

Personally, I'm scared of American players more than non English speaking players. I wouldn't want a non communicative player from any region but I don't feel language has a correlation.

I've had my share of English speaking, non communicative players.
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By the way guys, how is the smoothness of sites like twitch TV and daily motion to you guys?

I'm trying guess if they have asian servers at all.

From my experience, twitch is OK-ish at medium, but will still freezes for 5-10 seconds in teamfight initiations (god knows why thats the only time it lags......)

Dailymotion though is pretty horrible. It can have the same lag as twitch at its "380p" option, though im not too sure if its 380p is really 380p, because its 480p option looks better than twitch's medium.

MLG however has server very close to me it seems. 1080p EZPZ
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it's no more a gamble. if a chest contain 10 item. buy 10 chest 10 keys get all items.. if u r lucky and got the extreme rare item inside "courier or item" buy an extra key and extra chest.. u get all the sets.. doesn't work the other way.. if u get the 10 items.. u ill start over again......

What?

Oh no......with that in mind, Valve can easily get the price control up......
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Players playing outside their "server" makes sense in a few cases. Example. a lot of SA players actually have better ping to USE than the SA server due to how the network infrastructure is set up.

Select RU players and EUW being another case.

I don't feel language is a barrier. If the skill is there, pings and chatwheel covers everything you need for a pug.

Personally, I'm scared of American players more than non English speaking players. I wouldn't want a non communicative player from any region but I don't feel language has a correlation.

I've had my share of English speaking, non communicative players.

Ehhhh, this is a kinda sorta situation. It just so happens that Russia/ME/Aus are on the same table (In terms of cross-routing in DOTA)...So, it's literally better for them to play out of the same server...In some cases, especially with Eastern Russia that Seattle's table has a better ping.

I find "Americans" to generally be the trolls...Whether they don't care...Choose to be ignorant or purposefully screw everyone else, I have yet to decide but, they're by far the worst...More-so then not, when I pug and the group is Americans, they're more interested in screwing around and doing nothing than playing the game...

I have 0 issues with Russians or anyone else so, I don't quite understand the malice there...But, it is what it is.

I'm now feeling ready enough to play ranked...There are only 2 Heros I genuinely hate...Puck and Io...

If anyone wants to party up, lmk...With Diablo 3 being so repetitive these days I'm really getting back into Dota.
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to Reply to some of the posts..

1- Language: Yes it irritates me.. solution is so so so easy.... I play on EU W although EU E has better ping for me .. but i was naive enough to think that people on EU W will speak english while on other servers will speak other languages... i was wrong.. it's Just Cyka Blyat Everywhere.. However the solution is very easy. just add language as a must to the server and add a report button for playing on a non spoken language server. and give them low priority if they stack such reports.

2- Twitch is fine for me smile.gif but daily motion ... UGH It has its issues.
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to Reply to some of the posts..

1- Language: Yes it irritates me.. solution is so so so easy.... I play on EU W although EU E has better ping for me .. but i was naive enough to think that people on EU W will speak english while on other servers will speak other languages... i was wrong.. it's Just Cyka Blyat Everywhere.. However the solution is very easy. just add language as a must to the server and add a report button for playing on a non spoken language server. and give them low priority if they stack such reports.

Please take no offense to this, I'm generalizing this.

This is what I don't understand. Most of you complain about communication but, you don't actually communicate.

Last night I played a game with 4 Americans. I always random now. Got Viper instantly start of the game. American players QQ'd that they'd already picked mid and I shouldn't have chosen Viper. I basically said screw off, I random-ed, it is what it is, deal with it...Was nerd raged on to the point of where I just ignored all 4.

I was ostracized the rest of the game by those players...Whom were all grouped...Because I random-ed Viper.

I was the only one whom communicated all game by calling missing, etc...Finished 7/0/15 or something like that.

This is NOT the first time it's happened to me, pugging non-ranked. In fact, I can only think of 1 game in the past 2 months where everyone communicated...1 singular game.

MOST of you refuse to communicate if someone has a different ideal/mindset in the game so you ostracize that player...So, why, in a world where there's absolutely no communication outside of teams, do you all care about a language "barrier"? Further, why do you report those people when the vast majority of you don't communicate, regardless?

It's just like calling mid before anyone picks their heros...If you choose a Zeus and I get a PA/TA but, you're against Drow or a Sniper -- How is that my fault?

I'm not trying to insult any of you but, it seems incredibly stupid to care about a language issue when in general, communication is crap 1. And 2, nobody actually coordinates strategies in pugs, regardless.

To preface this, I actually speak, fluently French and Russian - I'm not really 100% with Cyrillic yet but, I understand enough to get by...

I actually have LESS issues playing with Russians than I do Americans due to how strategically retarded Americans tend to be...

It just seems to me that if you were //ALL// as a community going to communicate, okay -- report away but, since most of you don't anyway, at all, ever, it just seems like an abuse of the report function. You know like when people are new to the game and everyone reports the crap out of them? Kind of like that.
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Yes, the language issues are getting absurd. Just report for communication abuse and move on. Eventually, they'll queue up on the correct servers after they get the banhammer enough times. Valve could do a much better job of filtering out the language selections. Currently, I'm not sure they care, though. An option to opt-in to region(s) lock would be nice, also. Don't force it, but at least allow it. There is definitely enough players...
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Yes, the language issues are getting absurd. Just report for communication abuse and move on. Eventually, they'll queue up on the correct servers after they get the banhammer enough times. Valve could do a much better job of filtering out the language selections. Currently, I'm not sure they care, though. An option to opt-in to region(s) lock would be nice, also. Don't force it, but at least allow it. There is definitely enough players...

As I said in my post above, I greatly disagree with the amount of communication that actually occurs...Again, I'm not attacking you at all, I'm simply trying to grasp the "prejudice" involved in this situation....

DS Miss. TB miss. PA miss. TA miss. Push mid. Focus PA. Focus TA.

Most of you are "reporting" based on the fact that a person/people cannot communicate in a way that you'd "prefer" when that communication is not necessary or actually done...Most Americans I play with do the above...In fact, practically everyone I play with calls missing, push and defends.

What more do you guys want? A soliloquy?

How are you abusing communication if you're at the base, calling what you're actually supposed to?

So what if say something in Russian you don't understand? As long as I can "correct" it and communicate...What more should be expected?

I think the real issue in Dota 2 is what everyone expects communication to be...As long as you're calling missing, pinging attack/push/defense, what's wrong if they're Greek? Russian? Arabian?
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As I said in my post above, I greatly disagree with the amount of communication that actually occurs...Again, I'm not attacking you at all, I'm simply trying to grasp the "prejudice" involved in this situation....

DS Miss. TB miss. PA miss. TA miss. Push mid. Focus PA. Focus TA.

Most of you are "reporting" based on the fact that a person/people cannot communicate in a way that you'd "prefer" when that communication is not necessary or actually done...Most Americans I play with do the above...In fact, practically everyone I play with calls missing, push and defends.

What more do you guys want? A soliloquy?

How are you abusing communication if you're at the base, calling what you're actually supposed to?

So what if say something in Russian you don't understand? As long as I can "correct" it and communicate...What more should be expected?

I think the real issue in Dota 2 is what everyone expects communication to be...As long as you're calling missing, pinging attack/push/defense, what's wrong if they're Greek? Russian? Arabian?

I agree completely with this post.

I go into a lot of games and the first reaction I get from a lot of people is "oh ******* hell russians". Why is that such a big deal? They come from russia so what, don't get dead pissy with them because they can't communicate with you on a level off english you consider acceptable. Hell I know a lot of Russians who can write and speak better than a few of my first language English friends.

Like my electronic teacher told me, keep to the "KISS" principle and everything will work out fine. "Keep it simple stupid"
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I don't understand this concept of team communication in solo pubs.

If it happens I wouldn't have to play single support or have carry last picks so often. tongue.gif
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As I said in my post above, I greatly disagree with the amount of communication that actually occurs...Again, I'm not attacking you at all, I'm simply trying to grasp the "prejudice" involved in this situation....

DS Miss. TB miss. PA miss. TA miss. Push mid. Focus PA. Focus TA.

Most of you are "reporting" based on the fact that a person/people cannot communicate in a way that you'd "prefer" when that communication is not necessary or actually done...Most Americans I play with do the above...In fact, practically everyone I play with calls missing, push and defends.

What more do you guys want? A soliloquy?

How are you abusing communication if you're at the base, calling what you're actually supposed to?

So what if say something in Russian you don't understand? As long as I can "correct" it and communicate...What more should be expected?

I think the real issue in Dota 2 is what everyone expects communication to be...As long as you're calling missing, pinging attack/push/defense, what's wrong if they're Greek? Russian? Arabian?

Assuming we are talking about the same game, here, maybe your matches aren't as blatantly obnoxious as mine and countless others tend to be. When there is no communication other than a million pings, gibberish text across the screen aside from little snippets of "noob", "noobs", "noob", while their character runs in circles and solo's across the map for the entire game with no trace of teamwork... Disagree if you will, but this is far too commonplace and worthy of my reporting in my eyes. Currently, there is no other solution than reporting that can remedy the situation. Like I said, valve could do something, but they won't. At least, not yet. So, I'll continue to do what seems to be in my personal best interest. Report and wait on an official fix.
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