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Queen of Pain is a Mid hero.

it is definitely not a beginners hero. You must do rune control, and gank for your team mates. I certainly wouldn't want someone who is new to try those things at first.

Basically agree.

@red : it is true that QoP does have all the things that you listed, but to think that relatively newer (or even averagely skilled) players can use those mobility / aggressive spells to maximum efficiency is a little too optimistic, and QoP is not strong at all unless her skills are used to full potential.

To approach the question from another direction, QoP is fairly squishy, rely quite heavily on winning the lane and rune control, also rely on making aggressive (but smart) plays to get ahead in order to dominate. An underleveled QoP is about as scary as a 5th tidehunter minus 300hp

For new players, I think "staying alive" should be the primary goal in this game. I recommend new players to try tanky melee heros because they are less likely to die, and they train players to be careful while getting last hit with the chance of getting harassed. They also tend to have a stun of some kind so it can be convenient at times.
Edited by HarrisLam - 4/3/14 at 12:54am
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STAHP. THE ANTICIPATION. STAHP IT. wheee.gif

By the way, the image looks photo shopped because the background is black for the hero. tongue.gif
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Oh they do care. You can definitely tell at hero picking phase.

After that phase, their mentality becomes :

Ya I wanna win so much!! please support me so that I can win, thanks.


For real support players to show up, you have to at least get to 3000 MMR. Work your way up there while withstanding all the bullsheet that gets in the way. It's a test of patience. Many had fallen before this test. I hope you can make it.

Lol. Literally 0-5 now...It's so sad.

These people are so stupid.

I random-ed Treant last night which, was a joy in and of itself...Suggested someone else pick up a "true" support...Instead they picked 4 carries. Our NP was super special and didn't understand what Gem of True Sight was...Then I got the blame for being "a really bad support"...Seriously bro? You just fed LC 6x because you're an idiot...

rolleyes.gif

Came back, got really into Dota again but, after these ranked experiences...Man...These people got problems.
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Lol. Literally 0-5 now...It's so sad.

These people are so stupid.

I random-ed Treant last night which, was a joy in and of itself...Suggested someone else pick up a "true" support...Instead they picked 4 carries. Our NP was super special and didn't understand what Gem of True Sight was...Then I got the blame for being "a really bad support"...Seriously bro? You just fed LC 6x because you're an idiot...

rolleyes.gif

Came back, got really into Dota again but, after these ranked experiences...Man...These people got problems.

This is why I do not enjoy playing very much unless I have a 5 man stack, or at least someone else in my party.
I usually play with other people because of ^ happening WAY too much. People think that they can carry the whole team, but when four people think that, disaster.
I play support a lot because of these problems, and especially when we have a 5 stack, it really helps.
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I agree, playing with a stack, any stack at all, is so much more fun & rewarding. You have someone to talk about the game with afterwards.

But I need to get that solo MMR up!
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I agree, playing with a stack, any stack at all, is so much more fun & rewarding. You have someone to talk about the game with afterwards.

But I need to get that solo MMR up!

Meh, since I do not play solo as much, my solo MMR is not that big of a deal to me. I like to play with others, as, believe it or not, Dota is a team game. biggrin.gif
Sorry, had to say that because I feel as if the people in pubs always forget that Dota is a TEAM game. tongue.gif
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Lol. Literally 0-5 now...It's so sad.

These people are so stupid.

I random-ed Treant last night which, was a joy in and of itself...Suggested someone else pick up a "true" support...Instead they picked 4 carries. Our NP was super special and didn't understand what Gem of True Sight was...Then I got the blame for being "a really bad support"...Seriously bro? You just fed LC 6x because you're an idiot...

rolleyes.gif

Came back, got really into Dota again but, after these ranked experiences...Man...These people got problems.

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

First all of, treant is indeed about as support as a hero can get. He is like the 6th position. I myself could have been buying wards, armoring people and towers, ONLY throw in the ult in teamfights all game long.

That said, my comments about your game would be :

1) given what I said about what I would have done, what did you do that game exactly?
2) who exactly are the other 4 "carries"? And did they do their job (in a stricter sense, Natures prophet is not considered a carry. He just gets gold pretty quickly so he gets strong relatively fast)


I do believe that with a treant as support, in regular pub games, it is still very viable to win games as long as the carries you have actually do stuff (unless we are talking about treant + 4 melee carries, that's another story).

Hell, grab 5 guys here randomly, make them go a full carry roster with very minimal warding, I bet they can still win 50/50. It is still mostly not about the line-up, but the players themselves
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hey so Tomorrow night is not gonna work out for me so I'm gonna try for tonight starting around 8pm EDT I've not clue what my MMR is as I've only played 1 ranked match not to mention it prob wouldnt matter as I've hardly played 5 games in the past 3 months

heres dota buff

http://dotabuff.com/players/5076889

I'll be in TS3 under "Doc"
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People need to play Tree more aggressively! My best Treant games is when I was able to farm up eb+dagon and go pew pew from the shadows. Using items/skills does not break his invis.

Pair that up with some NP for some Tree shenanigans.

Tree isn't as good a babysitter as he used to be. You need to take advantage early using his high base damage + survivability. Living armor is a pale shadow of what it once was. I miss the days I can roam or farm all day and still be useful to the team.

If you guys really want to move up, you need to suck it up. People generally suck (in life and Dota) so don't expect anything out of your teammates.

Your teammates might be awful but the enemy team should be just as awful, the only variable you can change is yourself.

Personally think there's 2 ways to get out of the trenches, either high impact heroes or play the sacrifice and super tempo control.

Spam thinks its easier to avoid crappy supports and carry but I'm scared of the early game more.

Edit: Hey Doc! I'll try to swing by for a game if I can. Started moving finally! First box in!

Double Edit: Fixed things since words are hard. tongue.gif
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Spam thinks its easier to avoid crappy supports but I'm scared of crappy carries more.

Speaking of bad carries, we had trilaning antimage today with 14 last hits at 14 mins. What a playa! biggrin.gif
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