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Eb, think you're watching old games. Core Naga is back.

Void needs a buff or a huge meta shift to come back imo.

AM/Alch completely out of the trends right now. I'm guessing AM's window is too late for the current patch and Alch's nerfs made him less versatile (which was his main appeal imo).

I'm calling the return of PL in a few months. Maybe in time for TI4.
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There are better ganking heroes and far better offlane heroes. Void doesn't really need armor, because of his backtrack ability. Which will dodge physical and magical damage 25% of the time at max level. Nullifying that attack which is far superior to armor. Armor only works against physical attacks and increases the heroes effective hit points. You farm faster with a Battlefury than you do with a Mjolnir. The Ring of health you get early also allows you to stay in lane or jungle with out constantly purchasing hp regen such as tangos or salves.

I will disagree with you again and again.
Naga is more often picked up as a support hero. Due to her armor reduction skill, and ensnare which is a awesome disable, not to mention her ult can save your team in a bad engagement or be used to setup a team fight. Also Naga has 3 illusions not 5. She only has 5 if she gets a manta. Lastly its easy to tell which is the correct one just by looking at the health bar. A void with a battle fury will quickly be able to tell which is the real Naga.

Void is not picked up very often because most pro teams will prefer Anti Mage over him or Alchemist due to their flash farm abilities.

Seriously - do you watch any competitive dota or pay attention to what the pros talk about because more often than not your advice is out in the left field, really simplified and often incorrect (outside of the fact-stating that anyone can look up on the internet). You do realize during the mid-late game people will get disables - which nullifies backtrack. Void at lvl 16 with any standard build - 1400 hp and 12 armor. Compare that to a luna at lvl 16 with 1900 hp and 21 armor using a standard drums helm bkb and yasha . One disable or get out of position once and you're dead. Given the prevalence of blink heros getting caught out of position is now a lot more likely. Even with 25% evasion that gives an EHP of 1750-ish with half the armor. Still bad. That's if you do actually dodge 25% of the attacks.

Yes I said there are better ganking heroes and better offlane heroes. It doesn't matter if you can farm faster with a bfury than you can with a mjolnir - i can farm quite quickly AND kill heroes beginning much earlier on - even though ive lost my last 7 games as void i still have over a 50% winrate with him almost a 4 KDA, and ive been consistently getting 650-700 GPM (and I don't play carry). A carry that can paritcipate in midgame teamfights is a lot more useful than one that can't. Going non attack speed items on him is stupid when his bash and getting as many hits as possible in chronosphere are his strongest points as a hero. If you go against a good team that can push down all of your towers in 20 minutes and you have to defend your base, and you have a bfury and a mask of madness? You're not gonna win those teamfights. Now, a 60 second cooldown ult and a 900 aoe nuke ? Maybe. (But probably not).
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first why would i pick void in most games? I said he was situational.

I have 3 tickets right now for current tournaments . I watch a lot of pro games.

Your guys are filling in a lot of words I did not say. By all means think your pro. Scold me all you like.

Truth is I know I can outplay most here. Don't believe me ask to 1v1 anytime.

Your tone is not friendly, and I am not going to talk with people who will lack the common curiosity to have a civil conversation.

On that note I will take my time elsewhere and no longer participate in discussion here.

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first why would i pick void in most games? I said he was situational.

I have 3 tickets right now for current tournaments . I watch a lot of pro games.

Your guys are filling in a lot of words I did not say. By all means think your pro. Scold me all you like.

Truth is I know I can outplay most here. Don't believe me ask to 1v1 anytime.

Your tone is not friendly, and I am not going to talk with people who will lack the common curiosity to have a civil conversation.

On that note I will take my time elsewhere and no longer participate in discussion here.

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- Yes every hero is situational. The sky is blue. The sun rises in the morning. Thank you for letting us know.

- if you watch current tournaments you would know people stopped playing AM/Alchemist a long time ago, and that alchemist became a support hero quite a long time ago as well, and dropped off after the nerfs to him in the last patch, and that the games are generally shorter, faster, and favor damage items over farming items. So why is it hard for you to believe that a void should favor damage items over farming items? I mean, you have 13 games with him. And a 46% winrate with him.

-Civil? Do you ever read your comments here? Most of the time it is extremely condescending to the beginner players, and most of the time it doesn't make sense. Like just a week ago...here is you criticizing someone who JUST started playing dota in a bracket where really you can do anything and play
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I'm just saying that Wind Ranger is not a carry. She has much more useful roles in the game, than trying to carry. I don't mind how other people play her. If you want to play carry Wind Ranger I would suggest to stick to Bot matches, rather than let down an entire team trying to carry and fail. I am just using current pro meta to suggest that Its not a good idea.

and then a few days later
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I enjoy playing solo. To me its more fun cause I don't know my team mates so I get a chance to play unconventional Dota. You know shadow blade CM lol and things like that. Stealing last hits cause your ally sucks at last hitting. I just be like you have more base damage and I am out last hitting you? They get so mad haha. Yes, I kinda like to troll when solo, its fun.
So in this situation you can cite the pro meta as being an excuse for not allowing a beginner to play a hero how she wants to, but right now you choose to ignore it b/c it goes against what you are saying.

They are not scolding you, they are pointing out your errors, you need an attitude adjustment. You unfriended someone because they pointed out you were wrong, and challenge people to a 1v1 when others disagree with you? You refuse to acknowledge obvious facts or trends? I'd rather you quit dota because people like you make this game a lot less enjoyable.
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Actually I removed everyone from this group I was friends with.

way to prove yourself rolleyes.gif

Bye

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Void doesnt need any buffs, what are u guys talking about?


bfury on void -> turning into antimage bassicly.. if you go bfury on PA,and stuff, it means you gonna farm. who in the name buy's battlefury to not farm. lol
alot of cheaper items makes pa crit better or rather deal more damage.
Battlefury is not a bad choice on void.
BuRning crushed Titan as void. double chronosphere.


6.81 ember nerfed to obilivion.


im deff not listening to "pro casters" b/c half of the time they have no clue what they are talking about especially Ayesee.

Edited by Toxsick - 4/7/14 at 4:00am
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Void doesnt need any buffs, what are u guys talking about?


bfury on void -> turning into antimage bassicly.. if you go bfury on PA,and stuff, it means you gonna farm. who in the name buy's battlefury to not farm. lol
alot of cheaper items makes pa crit better or rather deal more damage.
Battlefury is not a bad choice on void.
BuRning crushed Titan as void. double chronosphere.


6.81 ember nerfed to obilivion.


im deff not listening to "pro casters" b/c half of the time they have no clue what they are talking about especially Ayesee.

While it seems that getting BF on void is basically the same mentality as getting the item on AM or PA, there is a downside of getting it on void : he has awful attack speed.

(I'm actually at work now and don't have any numbers with me, but from feelings while playing these heros, this is how I feel)

With just treads and BF, AM already starts wrecking stuff left and right with his fast attack speed, and PA succeeds with BF with slightly slower attack speed, but a crit to clear creeps up.

Void has slow attack speed and no damage buffing passive. I've gotten BF on him a few times. Most of the time I got it too late because I was pressured, other times I got it at decent timings (16mins?), but couldn't feel a drastic improvement in jungling speed. To achieve great farming speed, at least treads + midas + BF or treads + BF + MoM combination is needed. This is not the case with the other 2 heros mentioned.

I feel like maelstorm does the job quite a bit better. It's cheaper, gives attackspeed and is also semi-useful outside of farming. After Maelstorm, player is also free to put the moljnir upgrade on-hold and go for some other items for immediate needs first. If that is not needed, a straight early molnjir can be quite game-changing as well


So imo, if your team is really that good and can hold 4v5 while zoning everyone out from harassing you, by all means go BF as first core and continue farming afterwards, but I feel maelstorm is a much safer approach in most games. I myself rarely have games where I get free farm as carry, so I do favor the maelstorm build more.
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Actually I removed everyone from this group I was friends with.

way to prove yourself rolleyes.gif

Bye

Please do try and grow up one day.

Wait so...

you removing EVERYONE because I disagreed with you....makes me childish ?
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Was Void ever big in the Pro scene?
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Actually I removed everyone from this group I was friends with.

way to prove yourself rolleyes.gif

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Please do try and grow up one day.

Wow. Thank you for all your contributions to this thread.

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