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The real problem that game was Lina going 1-26 and sniper 3-17. Pretty hard to win when 2 teammates have 43 deaths. I'm surprised the game lasted that long.

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You did your best RlndVt.

If you go Radiance, you usually want tank items to keep your illusions up longer. That's why Harris is advocating HoT > Satanic.

I might have told Weaver to get MKB and got Daed.

I'm not a fan of late game Radiance, either get it early or skip it in favor for other DPS items that will transfer to your illusions.
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Do illusions get the passive/health regen from heart? I use a orb 'trick' so my illusions have diffusal blade orb effect and I have lifesteal.

I got satanic because I felt that in a prolonged teamfight heart would break but with satanic I could keep going.

My biggest issue in fights was the heavens halberd stun. (And gem pretty good).

I thought the game was pretty even till I checked the kill score.

I agree with no radiance late but was just wondering, if at that point it might be worth it. I was dodging them so maybe even a little extra split push might help. The mkb accuracy doesn't translate to illusions does it?
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Do illusions get the passive/health regen from heart? I use a orb 'trick' so my illusions have diffusal blade orb effect and I have lifesteal.

I got satanic because I felt that in a prolonged teamfight heart would break but with satanic I could keep going.

My biggest issue in fights was the heavens halberd stun. (And gem pretty good).

I thought the game was pretty even till I checked the kill score.

I agree with no radiance late but was just wondering, if at that point it might be worth it. I was dodging them so maybe even a little extra split push might help. The mkb accuracy doesn't translate to illusions does it?

HoT doesn't give your illusions passive regen - but it does make your illusions more tanky.
 
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Do illusions get the passive/health regen from heart? I use a orb 'trick' so my illusions have diffusal blade orb effect and I have lifesteal.

I got satanic because I felt that in a prolonged teamfight heart would break but with satanic I could keep going.

My biggest issue in fights was the heavens halberd stun. (And gem pretty good).

I thought the game was pretty even till I checked the kill score.

I agree with no radiance late but was just wondering, if at that point it might be worth it. I was dodging them so maybe even a little extra split push might help. The mkb accuracy doesn't translate to illusions does it?

Illusions won't get the life regen but they'll be tankier with a HoT than a Satanic. Raw damage buffs won't transfer to illusions so that makes Satanic a bit weaker on PL.

I find Satanic less reliable than HoT for PL since you're melee.

If it goes late game, I rather just grab a Daed. Illusions can crit (just the reduced damage but its a percentage buff) vs a late Radiance with flat damage.

Truestrike follows the illusions but the +damage doesn't for MKB.

I rarely stack Orbs and Skadi is the only item I think is worth it. PL just has too many items that he can use.

I don't know how that game went down. Try to pinpoint when your team started falling apart and see if any other item choices would have helped your team more.

With your team trailing by that much, I doubt any item build would have saved you.

How did Lina feed that much and still farm up Aghs?
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Do illusions get the passive/health regen from heart? I use a orb 'trick' so my illusions have diffusal blade orb effect and I have lifesteal.

I got satanic because I felt that in a prolonged teamfight heart would break but with satanic I could keep going.

My biggest issue in fights was the heavens halberd stun. (And gem pretty good).

I thought the game was pretty even till I checked the kill score.

I agree with no radiance late but was just wondering, if at that point it might be worth it. I was dodging them so maybe even a little extra split push might help. The mkb accuracy doesn't translate to illusions does it?

HoT doesn't give your illusions passive regen - but it does make your illusions more tanky.

More so than a satanic does? Correct me if I'm wrong but Illusions only keep the strength based health boost.

>goes check the stats on Heart and Satanic

Ok so apparently Heart is 40 extra strength whilst Satanic is 'only' 25. That is a significant difference. Will refrain from building Satanic from now on...

Is Skadi a good item on item on PL? (say instead of the MKB?)
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Do illusions get the passive/health regen from heart? I use a orb 'trick' so my illusions have diffusal blade orb effect and I have lifesteal.

I got satanic because I felt that in a prolonged teamfight heart would break but with satanic I could keep going.

My biggest issue in fights was the heavens halberd stun. (And gem pretty good).

I thought the game was pretty even till I checked the kill score.

I agree with no radiance late but was just wondering, if at that point it might be worth it. I was dodging them so maybe even a little extra split push might help. The mkb accuracy doesn't translate to illusions does it?

Illusions won't get the life regen but they'll be tankier with a HoT than a Satanic. Raw damage buffs won't transfer to illusions so that makes Satanic a bit weaker on PL.

I find Satanic less reliable than HoT for PL since you're melee.

If it goes late game, I rather just grab a Daed. Illusions can crit (just the reduced damage but its a percentage buff) vs a late Radiance with flat damage.

Truestrike follows the illusions but the +damage doesn't for MKB.

I rarely stack Orbs and Skadi is the only item I think is worth it. PL just has too many items that he can use.

I don't know how that game went down. Try to pinpoint when your team started falling apart and see if any other item choices would have helped your team more.

With your team trailing by that much, I doubt any item build would have saved you.

How did Lina feed that much and still farm up Aghs?
She ulted AM who was on a streak. Also no wards.

Yeh, it's more for future reference, the game was as over as it could get. Only hope was a full on base race, which I might have won. But since they caught me and I was on the sidelines for 2 minutes the game was over.

How does Skadi stack? Do you get diffusal's manaburn and Skadi's slow? Or only one or the other?

Also I thought illusions don't crit. They do the animation but the damage isn't there.



Just read up and Skadi & diffusal can't stack. You could however set it up that your hero has Skadi UAM and your illusion diffusal right?

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I wonder if there were any good players here that would like to watch my 3kmmr replays and point out some stuff i could improve on?
Im trying to get as good as i can in this game and i have all the time in the world, but i could use some pointers.
Also what kind of practice do you recommend?
I always try to watch some interesting replays of mine and think what im doing good and bad, i also watch pro matches and i practice last hitting with many heroes a lot.
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More so than a satanic does? Correct me if I'm wrong but Illusions only keep the strength based health boost.

Also I thought illusions don't crit. They do the animation but the damage isn't there.

Illusions benefit from flat health increases. Also, they can proc critical strikes, but the red number is shown before illusion damage reduction is calculated, giving the impression that they are dealing too much damage.

Information here.

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I wonder if there were any good players here that would like to watch my 3kmmr replays and point out some stuff i could improve on?

I don't claim to be good; if you welcome comments add me here and I can share my thoughts on your games.
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Illusions benefit from flat health increases. Also, they can proc critical strikes, but the red number is shown before illusion damage reduction is calculated, giving the impression that they are dealing too much damage.

Information here.
I don't claim to be good; if you welcome comments add me here and I can share my thoughts on your games.

You have 2K+ Hours. Even if you suck at playing you know Dota. Usually i would help people with heros i am good with.
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You have 2K+ Hours. Even if you suck at playing you know Dota. Usually i would help people with heros i am good with.

I queue comfortably in unranked with players who rank 4-5k, but I'm very harsh about my own play and don't consider myself a strong player. I'm more than ready to help with almost any hero in the pool, though.
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i can understand where you are coming from with the satanic build but think about it, when against a late game PL, its pretty hard to find the real one. The only 3 ways are

1) you screwed up
2) they have a gem and you dopplewalk in front of them not knowing
3) they have very decent AOE control that can hit all your illusions at the same time and tell the real PL by damage taken

Heart not only gives more HP, it also gives insane regen out of battle. Satanic on the contrary only gives regen during battle. To be honest, if a late game PL can go head to head with the enemy team, he doesn't need a satanic lifesteal, and if he cannot, it would probably be better to go the heart build and play a little more conservative with the real hero.

Heart is a very important core item on PL, even more so than butterfly.




But does skadi work out well? If the game really goes that late as PL, which for me was probably like 2 out of all games ive played with him, I would go double heart and hope that my other teammates can get some work done while they were trying to aim for me. Not sure how a 6th item skadi on PL would work.
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