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I queue comfortably in unranked with players who rank 4-5k, but I'm very harsh about my own play and don't consider myself a strong player. I'm more than ready to help with almost any hero in the pool, though.

What lies! tongue.gif Walsh is stronk!

Heyo Walsh! Good to see you on the thread again!
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Originally Posted by HarrisLam View Post

But does skadi work out well? If the game really goes that late as PL, which for me was probably like 2 out of all games ive played with him, I would go double heart and hope that my other teammates can get some work done while they were trying to aim for me. Not sure how a 6th item skadi on PL would work.

Let me know if my numbers are wrong.

Heart vs Skadi is a difference of 15 str + 50 hp so 335 HP difference only. Heart's passive doesn't stack so it's 335 HP vs 25 additional AGI (25 DPS on main hero, additional 5 on illusions + attack speed and armor bonuses).

I see it as giving up some EHP for DPS.
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Agreed. If you already have Heart definitely go Skadi next. Super underrated tank item.
   
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Let me know if my numbers are wrong.

Heart vs Skadi is a difference of 15 str + 50 hp so 335 HP difference only. Heart's passive doesn't stack so it's 335 HP vs 25 additional AGI (25 DPS on main hero, additional 5 on illusions + attack speed and armor bonuses).

I see it as giving up some EHP for DPS.

I see.....


In that case though I wonder if linkens would do any good on him. Less stat bonus overall, gains a spell dodge once in a while and some consistent regen?

Then again a 6th item linkens sounds incredibly stupid, and the shield is now a bonus that can be passed on from supports
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I see.....


In that case though I wonder if linkens would do any good on him. Less stat bonus overall, gains a spell dodge once in a while and some consistent regen?

Then again a 6th item linkens sounds incredibly stupid, and the shield is now a bonus that can be passed on from supports

Linkens on PL? It doesn't even work on his illusions... making it a pointless item for him, even moreso for a 6th slot.
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Linkens on PL? It doesn't even work on his illusions... making it a pointless item for him, even moreso for a 6th slot.

Linkens on him can really be frustrating, (not saying its that great but situationally it can work) you finally managed to kill off the illusions and you go to lock him down and...spell block...sucks soo bad.
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I was thinking skadi along side heart.

Heart, butterfly, diffusal, skadi, manta, bot's...
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Linkens on PL? It doesn't even work on his illusions... making it a pointless item for him, even moreso for a 6th slot.

As i've said it might not work as the best 6th item on him, but definitely not as bad as you might think.

It doesn't need to work on his illusions. It's hard enough to find the real PL, it can be pretty annoying to have a spell block to go with the dopplewalk. If he's careful enough with a linkens, you might never catch him the entire game even with a gem.
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I was thinking skadi along side heart.

Heart, butterfly, diffusal, skadi, manta, bot's...

That's a good build. But make sure you finish the first 3 items as diffusial => manta => heart and then the rest. This order seems to go nice with the flow of most general games.
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Late last night i saw something that scared me a guy in my teams mmr was 795 sad-smiley-002.gif Thankfully one on the other team had 888 what is going on with match making lol. It will take me forever to get good enough to stop people feeding early game lol
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Havent seen PL in ages in pubs.
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Late last night i saw something that scared me a guy in my teams mmr was 795 sad-smiley-002.gif Thankfully one on the other team had 888 what is going on with match making lol. It will take me forever to get good enough to stop people feeding early game lol

It isn't even that.

With the current MMR system, it just seems to me that the people who have 50% winrate will stay at their initial MMR forever, while the people that have more than 50% winrate will be able to get higher, with the speed of MMR increase to be directly proportional to your winrate %.

Because that's what it is. Winning and losing is now only a fixed gain/loss of MMR (24-26) regardless of what happens within the game, so with your winrate infinitely close to 50%, your MMR will never be able to escape your initial range. So the only way to escape the MMR hell is to reach, and maintain a winrate of at least 51-52%.

For party MMR, you can raise that up a bit by partying with friends' smurf accounts, or friends that have like a really high MMR, and hope that the other team has very even MMR across the whole team so your high MMR friend(s) will dominate the game for you. For solo MMR, I don't think anything will help except to change your play-style into high impact roles.
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