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Got to play a little bit on the road yesterday and it was a rusty mess.

I think I played pretty well this game, but we lost quite hard. I think my biggest problem was I should have went Yasha into BKB. If anyone wants to dissect the replay let me know:

http://dotabuff.com/matches/603935625

P.S. I am not a pro TA, but I want to get better at the hero
   
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Got to play a little bit on the road yesterday and it was a rusty mess.

I think I played pretty well this game, but we lost quite hard. I think my biggest problem was I should have went Yasha into BKB. If anyone wants to dissect the replay let me know:

http://dotabuff.com/matches/603935625

I love TA... one of my favourite heroes...

I thought you guys did pretty well too... that Team fight at the 31min mark when they team wiped you was the turning point.

In your match scenario - I would've gone Treads, Wand/drums, Blinkdagger/BKB, then Desolator... or go treads, wand then blink then try to rush the BKB - mainly because they have an Invoker and Cenateur - they both make your Manta useless because they have AOE spells that can negate your illusions to find which one is real. And since almost every Invoker playing at your level, will go Q/W with EMP taking out your mana.
If you go with treads you have to get a blink dagger for chasing or escapes, but more so for positioning in a team fight.
This is a tanky build because your team had no true tank initator to to start a fight and tank hits. For TA, you don't really need to go with damage items early because if you max out Refraction first - that is like a shield for tanking & double damage rune every time you turn it on. With Refraction ON you deal base dmg+80dmg per hit. So at level 5 - if you have 3 points in refraction, 1 point in Meld, and 1 point in Psi Blades you can 1v1 or even 1v2 if you turn on your Refraction 10 to 13 seconds before a fight so you can use Refraction twice during a fight duration. At level 5 If you Refraction then Meld then Hit = base dmg+ 80dmg + 50dmg = she is already hitting like tank with no DMG items at level 5. If you max out Refraction and Meld by level 9/10, her first hit will be 280bonus dmg+ base damge and each hit after will deal 200bonus dmg+base dmg = two or three shot their invoker, tinker, and dazzel. You need at least one level of PSI blades for splash damage. Also note PSI blades deal pure damge - so for example if you hit an illusion that takes 300% damage, if the PSI blade spills over to a hero next that hero will take the same dmg precentage as well... which in your team make up - Lion initiates and tries to stun more than one hero, then you blink in to a flank position so your Refraction/Meld/Psi 1st hit can hit more than one hero. Before your Refraction wears off you will have done your job to position your teams win in that team fight. The only time you don't need blink dagger is if you have Phase boots. I think that #1 MMR guy in Europe says the same thing. I used to go Yasha alot on TA but not anymore - I go with BKB for more survivability because to counter a TA you just need one really good disabler. Once she gets a BKB she can Man up in most fights.

Edited by Peter Nixeus - 4/11/14 at 11:44am
 
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Walsh forgot to mention that Illusions can extend your bash with Abyssal. I don't know if you can perma stun but I've come close.

I think you are the one who forgot tongue.gif
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Good points Peter, I'm too hung up on race car TA. Especially against that team, there was no chasing just manfights.
   
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I think you are the one who forgot tongue.gif

Thought bash extension was working in Dota 2 but the last time I tested was awhile back.

Does bash extension still work in Dota 1?

Thanks Walsh!
Edited by evilferret - 4/11/14 at 3:11pm
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Thought bash extension was working in Dota 2 but the last time I tested was awhile back.

Does bash extension still work in Dota 1?

AFAIK it was silently patched out, likely because it was an artifact from the Warcraft engine.
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I started off with Natures profit myself to try and learn jungling. I always recommend starting with that one since you kill 2 birds with one stone by learning how to split push too.

Thanks for this suggestion, I have been working with him and enjoying it a lot. its definitely a crash course in map awareness and controlling other units!
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Thought bash extension was working in Dota 2 but the last time I tested was awhile back.

Does bash extension still work in Dota 1?

Thanks Walsh!
I confirm EF's idea. At least it used to work anyway.

bash cannot be "initiated" by illusions. But if a bash is triggered by the true hero, and the illusion triggered a bash 0.5 second later, the duration of the true bash will be "extended"



I never test it myself cuz i dont get bashers on illusion heros, so like EF I can really say if this is still true
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AFAIK it was silently patched out, likely because it was an artifact from the Warcraft engine.

ah, i hate stuff like this

Every patch note was literally as long as a kid's story book, you would think that they would have told us everything right? What's the point of not telling us if they're taking something out of the game so it's not going to exist anymore?
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