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Thanks!


In the next few days I'll be enabling the Start Menu and installing Steam to see how it games.
Steam runs just as well as it does on my other OS. Will you have comparative benchmarks to look for improvements in game handling between the operating systems?

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and just WHY? do we need or want Windows 8?
I'm running it primarily because it's free right now. It's a unifying operating system that's supposed to connect consoles, phones, PCs, and tablets so that ultimately PCs will be easier to use. One fine day, when today's stuff appears archaic to you, you might just be just as agitating about WHY? [sic] we used the OSes we have now. To each his own, I guess.
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Is anyone having problems with steam games that also connect to GFWL? I can't get any steam/GFWL game to work at the moment.
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Steam runs just as well as it does on my other OS. Will you have comparative benchmarks to look for improvements in game handling between the operating systems?

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I might do a later installl of Windows 7 do to that; no promises though. Initially I was thinking of doing some testing as to whether games would run without problems (see comment below).


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Is anyone having problems with steam games that also connect to GFWL? I can't get any steam/GFWL game to work at the moment.

I'll be installing Steam on my test system (see review above) later today and I'll install some GFWL to test that. I'll report here later.
 
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I might do a later installl of Windows 7 do to that; no promises though. Initially I was thinking of doing some testing as to whether games would run without problems (see comment below).





I'll be installing Steam on my test system (see review above) later today and I'll install some GFWL to test that. I'll report here later.
Thanks mate, really appreciate your help.

I have had no issues with steam games until this, and all my games seem to run a little quicker (no benches though) but I was running them through vista before this.
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Just a small update:

I enabled the Start Menu


For those who don't know how, it's very easy. In regedit, go here:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\C urrentVersion\\Explorer

Value: RPEnabled

The value 0 enables the start menu, the value 1 disables it again.


The changes take effect immediately, but the Start menu icon only goes back to how it is in Windows 7 after a restart. Also, until you restart that big clock might appear on the desktop and not disappear. ( I don't know if I triggered it by clicking on the Windows icon or if I put the mouse pointer in the bottom left corner)


Here it is after a restart (notice the confidential notice that appears on the desktop, like I mentioned earlier from that article):



Much better now! Also, there is Paint, already with a jump list of the screenshots I had been taking.

Now I can finally get back to work properly.

Also, the wireless menu is back to normal, with just the minor style differences, the pop-up follows Windows' 8 more squarish design.



If Microsoft really wants Windows 8 to be sucessful, the Start menu must stay as an option, and in my humble opinion, the Metro UI will only succeed if it does not take up the whole screen. The taskbar should be visible at all times, so I can just click on a program icon that is flashing or see what time it is, or just return to the desktop with the click of a mouse button. Having to press "Esc" to go back to the desktop is something you don't have to do now with Windows 7, and is ineficient as you would have to use both the mouse and the keyboard to do something you now only need to use the mouse for. Sure, there is a desktop icon in the Metro UI you can click on, but you may have side scrolled away from it, meaning you either have to press Esc, or scroll back to it so you can click on it... the Metro UI is really a big mess right now.
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Or you can hit the Windows key on the keyboard to get out of the Metro view.
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Or you can hit the Windows key on the keyboard to get out of the Metro view.
Yes, but that still means hitting a key. If the Metro UI were at least not to occupy the whole screen for no good reason and leave the taskbar visible (which is useful, for many reasons like I stated above), I could just click on the taskbar for it to go away. With the Metro UI it gets unnecessarily complicated.
 
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I just open my browser, go through folders, play games, and so on without leaving the desktop. The Metro thing doesn't actually appear unless I pull it up with the Windows key, and then I put it back away with the same key. There's no real issue I take up with it, and it's kind of nice because I don't have to click through the newly compacted (as of Vista, though it was an option in earlier versions) start menu that has me scrolling through program lists. It's like another collection of frequently used icons.

But I get what you're saying. It's just that probably consoles, tablets, phones, and so on either will have a button or already have one that gets them into and out of the Metro view. Desktops and laptops are being ignored by the planners of the future!

In other news: http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/13/m...anges-to-wind/

For those who haven't seen this yet
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/13/m...anges-to-wind/

For those who haven't seen this yet

This has been posted in another thread (should perhaps be merged with this one).

It's a long post by Microsoft trying to explain the unexplainable. They concede that this new approach might introduce some ineficiencies and time wasting, but they say it'll benefit us in the long term.

They also try to convince peple into buying this new UI by arguing that the Start Menu is too small and that with increasing monitor resolutions, stuff will only get small to click on, hence this new UI. They also argue that people over the course of several months use an average of 57 apps and that the Start Menu is not enough to accomodate that. They conveniently forget to explain what is the most obvious scenario is that you don't use 57 applications in your daily routine, so the Start Menu recent items would still be enough in the course of those months.


They are now trying to appease people by cramming more stuff into the Metro UI, thereby negating the benefit of having larger stuff to click on. They also forget that the regular Start Menu could be made bigger to accomodate some of these changes while keeping you on the desktop. For instance, you can already make icons smaller or bigger across the OS; you can change DPI settings and you can even use (holy sacrilege!) a lower resolution for your desktop. I for example use 1280x800 on my 20" 1680x1050 monitor because it's much more comfortable to use for long hours. I can't imagine using a 22" or 24" with 1080p native resolution on the desktop. For gaming, sure, but not for working. And whoever does otherwise is just straining their eyes. They are effectively trying to read stuff on a lit screen they would refuse to read on a piece of paper.

All in all, they want to shuffle the design so they can claim the have something new, while at the same time showcasing their phones and tablets way of working and at the same time trying to force us into seeing the Apps in the Metro UI every single time we boot before we can get to the desktop.

Yes, there is a market for Apps, and Microsoft wants to sell them to us and make big profits just like Apple.

Microsoft: I'm okay with that. Just give us choice, customisation. I want a functional Start Menu. Like someone said in the comments over there, it would be laughable from a technical point of view if Microsoft couldn't keep both as a choice. They are there now, the can both be there when it's released. It's just a bit worrying they are not saying a word about that (yet).
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