Originally Posted by consumer
Oh my dear friend I have owned 2 Zotac cards both AMP editions both RMA'd with 2 weeks ,so I can say with confidence that in my experience they are unreliable.
And were both of your cards suffering from low voltage, same as almost every other Zotac AMP? Did you try adjusting the voltage before initiating an RMA? When you did the RMA, did you receive working replacements? What did Zotac do wrong that EVGA and MSI somehow seem to do so right?
These are all pertinent pieces of information that seem to have been conveniently omitted.
Quite frankly, I don't care for finding out first-hand how good a warranty replacement program is either from *any* company (no matter how good they may treat you), but sadly, life happens and stuff breaks. The point of this whole thread is how good of service Zotac was able to provide and how well they hold true to their word. Plainly saying that your cards didn't work, and therefore handing down judgment that the brand, as a whole, is unreliable is less than helpful.
It's no different then me saying Honda as a whole is an unreliable car manufacturer because I had brake issues much earlier than expected.
Originally Posted by consumer
I agree with this 100%, I shouldn't have to pay $600 for a MSI 580 3GB but companies like zotac have make quality products first to make a real difference.
It can be done look at ASrock who now do make quality stuff on par with the competition. If Zotac puts money into research and development they can improve no doubt.
But I just call it as I see it though
You do realize that Zotac doesn't exactly *make* anything right? In fact, most of EVGA's own lineup is comprised of reference design boards, same as what Zotac offers. This is no different than what MSI, Gigabyte, and Asus all were selling during the initial launch of the GTX 500 series (or any other series for that matter). The differences in quality and craftsmanship is nil, so long as you are comparing all reference based cards.
R&D is a fantastic term to throw around carelessly and discuss on this forum, but in the end, an actual company needs capital in order to even think about investing into that. We haven't even talked about the money needed to begin production, marketing, and distribution, assuming anyone even wants to buy the product in the first place. For a small company, all of these resources might be a lot harder to come by in real life.
While I think Asrock is a fine example for how a small company can rise above and stand on its own with innovative products (nevermind the fact that it had the backing of a gigantic player in the whole computer industry), they were fortunate enough to be in an atypical situation and time where they sustained themselves.
So what happens to the other small fry? Well, they need to find other ways to distinguish themselves. If a company cannot provide a unique product, a few examples of how to make up for it is through competitive pricing, customer support, and/or packaged incentives like freebies and promotional. Coincidentally, how do you think EVGA got their start?
You're going to have to try better than "calling it" what you think you see.