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I have one Zotac and two EVGA GTX 580's - they are EXACTLY the same. The cooler is also the exact same vapor chamber design as any other reference card. Unless, somehow the yellow paint on the circuitry somehow degrades the quality of the power delivery, I don't see where you came up with, much less prove, that Zotac is cutting corners.
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This I'm calling you out on this, they are different. I bet you any money you like evga, msi, gigabyte, asus pay more money for binned or get 1st preference at better performing batches of gpu's than Zotac for their overclocked cards. They i.e nvidia will always deny this but I think it's true, I think Gigabyte have confirmed this.

& there is no way Zotac can sell reference 580's at $100 less than the competition with out using cheaper manufacturing costs and cheaper parts some where down the line.

& don't get me started about cooling, thats a big are a they need to improve on
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This I'm calling you out on this, they are different. I bet you any money you like evga, msi, gigabyte, asus pay more money for binned or get 1st preference at better performing batches of gpu's than Zotac for their overclocked cards. They i.e nvidia will always deny this but *I think* it's true, *I think* Gigabyte have confirmed this.

& there is no way Zotac can sell reference 580's at $100 less than the competition with out using cheaper manufacturing costs and cheaper parts some where down the line.

& don't get me started about cooling, thats a big are a they need to improve on
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This I'm calling you out on this, they are different. I bet you any money you like evga, msi, gigabyte, asus pay more money for binned or get 1st preference at better performing batches of gpu's than Zotac for their overclocked cards. They i.e nvidia will always deny this but I think it's true, I think Gigabyte have confirmed this.

& there is no way Zotac can sell reference 580's at $100 less than the competition with out using cheaper manufacturing costs and cheaper parts some where down the line.

& don't get me started about cooling, thats a big are a they need to improve on
Can I ask you a serious question?

Are you trolling?

Do you have any evidence to back your claim that Zotac uses badly binned chips on their 815MHz clocked cards?

What just because it fails to play a horribly optimized game without a bit of voltage increase?

You claim EVGA and all the other big players use good binned chips right? That's why I had two people PM me yesterday about Crysis 2 crashes with two different brands of 500 series cards; a EVGA 570 and a Twin Frozr II MSi 580 which both needed a simple voltage increase to play stable?

Hell both my 580s need a voltage bump to play Crysis 2 too.

But you come in here and crap on Zotac. HA.

Guess EVGA and MSi gets their chips from Zotac now, right?

A reference card is either made using a kit from from Nvidia to their specs or made by Nvidia directly. There's nothing to skimp out on.
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^^ Haha my sentiments exactly. There's a reason a reference design is called 'reference design'. You must meet/exceed the standards set by nVidia.
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This I'm calling you out on this, they are different. I bet you any money you like evga, msi, gigabyte, asus pay more money for binned or get 1st preference at better performing batches of gpu's than Zotac for their overclocked cards. They i.e nvidia will always deny this but I think it's true, I think Gigabyte have confirmed this.

& there is no way Zotac can sell reference 580's at $100 less than the competition with out using cheaper manufacturing costs and cheaper parts some where down the line.

& don't get me started about cooling, thats a big are a they need to improve on
Do you understand what a reference board is? Serious question.

Beyond that, most reference PCB's come from the same factory anyways FWIW.
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Do you understand what a reference board is? Serious question.

Beyond that, most reference PCB's come from the same factory anyways FWIW.
I wouldn't take anything consumer says seriously.

Reference boards are all the same except for the sticker on the heatsink's shroud and the warranty they're backed up by.
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First, there is the budget design. It's made to give you the same GPU in a cheaper package or to increase profits for the manufacturer. See most non-reference XFX ATI cards for this.

The second kind is the one we're dealing with here. It is a board that is much more robust and has much higher quality components (and more of them) than the reference design. It will take more abuse and hold up under higher stress. The EVGA Classified, MSI Lightning, and Asus Direct Cu-II and Matrix are this type of non-reference board.
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WRONG they are not all the same, & this was posted in this thread by someone in the know

http://www.overclock.net/14177455-post156.html

You can't undercut the competition like palit/zotac/inno does by $100 on a 580 GTX without saving money on manufacturing costs.
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apparently theres a thread over at the Zotac forums...quite a few people with 580s or 570 series cards are crashing with DX11 titles...they say a simple voltage increase should do the trick...but the customers are asking for a bios flash since it is a known issue among the nvidia community.

I'll be watching that thread closely...I know you're in it wholeeo....it kinda sucks how Zotac is extremely dead in the forums...I mean with EVGA they reply like instantly...theres probably 10 staff members just hawking the forums at EVGA
MSI did this with the NGTX580 Twin Frozr II OC. Originally the cards shipped with 1.013v but after many similar complaints they released a new BIOS which simply upped the voltage to 1.025v. Problem solved.

Heres the link for any owners of said card who have not yet flashed to 1.04:

http://www.msi.com/product/vga/N580G...html#?div=BIOS
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WRONG they are not all the same, & this was posted in this thread by someone in the know

http://www.overclock.net/14177455-post156.html

You can't undercut the competition like palit/zotac/inno does by $100 on a 580 GTX without saving money on manufacturing costs.
xxbassplayerxx is talking about "non-reference" cards. That zotac card is a reference card but it is slightly overclocked to 815 MHz.

Actually reference cards are all the same just different stickers to differentiate a brand from the other. And the different between those brands is warranty and customer service.
Edited by HeadlessKnight - 9/26/11 at 9:46am
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