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Poll Results: Which One(s) Do you Own?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 14% of voters (91)
    200R
  • 22% of voters (135)
    300R
  • 18% of voters (112)
    400R
  • 46% of voters (283)
    500R
612 Total Votes  
post #4441 of 4610
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Originally Posted by Benjiw View Post

Here's my issues in list format:-
  • One of my case feet was loose, tightened it manually by hand
  • My case is crooked, possibly why the foot was loose
  • The Carbide range is only built to accommodate Corsair AIOs
  • The cable management is really poor and my grommets started to perish into my 2nd year of ownership
  • The metal is quite thin, hard drive vibrations used to drive me insane
  • The panels pop in and out easily
  • The mesh they used is really restrictive
  • The fans included are useless and move no air
  • Probably more I can't remember lol

I would highly suggest a fractal design define s over the 400R, it will make you much happier, the only things I could fault with the define S is the window scratches really easily and the floor of the case is very thin and needs bracing. It has very good cable management, you can hide all your drives, the side panels don't need massive skate ramps on the side to help cable management (yet still fail) you can actually fit radiators inside of the case without cutting it up and being heavily restricted on sizes and placement.

And the best bit is, the define S is cheaper too.

I thought that the 500R has good cable management since the side panels would pop out, thus giving it more room for cables? Also I thought that this case is considered to have great air flow since it has a 200mm fan on the side with a lot of spacious room inside. The two points where you said poor cable management and the fans not moving air contradicted to what I've heard about this case and what it was known for.

I'll take a look at the fractal define S but I was pretty set in stone with the 500R. The main things I want in a case (which I'm sure everyone wants) Is great air flow and good cable management and overall great quality, which I thought the 500R had.
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I thought that the 500R has good cable management since the side panels would pop out, thus giving it more room for cables? Also I thought that this case is considered to have great air flow since it has a 200mm fan on the side with a lot of spacious room inside. The two points where you said poor cable management and the fans not moving air contradicted to what I've heard about this case and what it was known for.

I'll take a look at the fractal define S but I was pretty set in stone with the 500R. The main things I want in a case (which I'm sure everyone wants) Is great air flow and good cable management and overall great quality, which I thought the 500R had.

The 200mm fan was flimsy and poor, so were the rest of the case fans combined with restrictive mesh, I swapped them out for SP120 fans and case, hard drive and everything else dropped in temp.

The cable management is bad, I've spent years fighting with it and I wouldn't say I'm bad at cable management either. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Notice how no cables run across the back of the motheboard tray? that's because I simply cannot be bothered fighting with the panel anymore, even with the skate ramp dent on the side it's a massive pain. I didn't struggle one bit with the cable situation with my gf's build in the Define S.
Edited by Benjiw - 1/5/16 at 5:59pm
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I thought that the 500R has good cable management since the side panels would pop out, thus giving it more room for cables? Also I thought that this case is considered to have great air flow since it has a 200mm fan on the side with a lot of spacious room inside. The two points where you said poor cable management and the fans not moving air contradicted to what I've heard about this case and what it was known for.

I'll take a look at the fractal define S but I was pretty set in stone with the 500R. The main things I want in a case (which I'm sure everyone wants) Is great air flow and good cable management and overall great quality, which I thought the 500R had.

I would like to offer my opinion on this subject matter, if you don't mind.

Regarding what you're looking for in a case, the 500R only meets half of the requirements, but not out-of-the-box. The airflow of the case can be well optimised and effective, but not using the included stock fans, they are truly useless and I swapped them out very soon after getting the case. There is plenty of room for air to move around the case and there are many options for mounting fans, however, I would say that the front and top grills are more restrictive than average, and as I recall (it was so long ago when I bought the case I can't even remember if it's true or not) they both have filters that are very restrictive, and should either be removed or replaced.

As for cable management; it's a challenge at best. One might think that the bulge on the side panel helps, but it is negated by the recessed motherboard tray. If you have a fully modular PSU with soft, easily bendable wires, then effective and neat cable management can be achieved, but not quickly nor easily. I plan to make my own custom length cables, individually sleeved, as I feel it is the only way to achieve acceptable cable management, any cable that is more than 5cm too long is a pain to manage.

Considering the price point, I say the negatives of the case outweigh the postive. Personally, I am happy with my 500R, because when I see my case, I don't look at what it is, I look at what it can become. I must admit, I have also dismissed a lot of the faults of the case simply because I admire the way it looks. However, for someone who does not already own the 500R such as yourself, there is no way I can recommend it when there are better alternatives out there.

As previously mentioned by another member, there is the Define S from Fractal Design. If I did not already own the 500R, I would own the Define S. It comes down to personal preference, individual needs and the subjective nature of aesthetics, so maybe the Define S doesn't appeal to you as much, but objectively speaking, the Define S is a better case, and much cheaper too. Of course there are more than just two cases in the market, so I would suggest you take a look around and see what meets your own needs. If watercooling is in your future, and I'm talking about a custom loop not AIOs, then the 500R should not be on your list.

The 500R would be perfectly acceptable if it came in at a lower price point. The style of the case is great, the powder coating on the chassis is well done and hard wearing, the paint on the panels is smooth and even, the hard drive cages are tool-less and surprisingly strong, there are plenty of fan mounting positions all with rubber spacers (except the one fan mount on the bottom) to reduce vibrations, all cable routing holes have rubber grommets, there are 4 tool-less drive bays, the case has an included 3-pin fan controller with an LED button (the controller is proprietary with the stock fans, but the 3-pin headers can have their pins re-arranged to work with any fan), the bulged out side panel allows large CPU heatsinks to be installed (but be mindful if you are using the 200mm side panel fan), all of Corsair's 240mm AIO units will fit with ease, and most AIOs from other companies will too, the general construction and build quality is acceptable, but individual panels may be thinner in some places, but taken as a whole it stands as strong as most other cases, and finally, installing a complete system into the case is surprisingly easy, except for the cable management issues, but once again, this can be slightly mitigated if your PSU is fully modular with soft cables. So, there are several good things I can say about the case.

However, if you are considering a custom loop, then definitely do not buy it, unless like me, you enjoy modding. There is almost no native support for radiators, if your motherboard has small VRM heatsinks then you can fit a 30mm thick, 240mm long radiator up top, but nothing thicker. To counteract my previous paragraph, I'll list some things I don't like about the case. Lack of native radiator support for custom loops. Lack of custom loop support in general (pump and reservoir mounting is very difficult without careful consideration and modding), the hard drive cages are strong and actually don't restrict airflow as much as much as others I have worked with, however, the trays that slide into them are made of plastic that fits loosely into the cage and causes vibrations that will annoy you very quickly, the included fans are completely useless, I can't recall ever having owned or seen fans as cheap and flimsy as these, the included dust filters are far too restrictive, with the possible exception of the bottom filter, the recessed motherboard tray is a perfect example of style over substance, I really like the curve that runs along the tray, it looks clean and cool, but it makes cable management an infuriating task and offers no practical benefit whatsoever, some panels are thinner than others and can resonate with fans/components causing vibration noises, the rubber grommets started to decay after about a year, leaving behind grimy, black residue that got all over the cables, then my hands, then the white panels and had to be thoroughly cleaned by removing them from the case and soaking in hot, soapy water, the front USB 3.0 ports failed and would either produce USB 2.0 speeds or not work at all, I contacted Corsair and got a free replacement of the panel (Corsair's customer service is fantastic, I can always say good things about it) which had the exact same problem, so it seems to be an inherent fault in the design, the fan controller is a nice touch, but annoyingly proprietary, I mean, come on, proprietary, seriously? And... That's all I can think of right now.

I just realised this has become an incredibly long rant, so you have my apologies and I will just sum it up. I cannot in good conscience recommend the 500R when cases like the Define S exist at a cheaper price.
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SNIP.

Don't even get me started on the fan controller lmao, what were they thinking at all with that, it was even a USP at the time!!! Comes with a fan controller.... but no other fans fit without modding, lol.
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Don't even get me started on the fan controller lmao, what were they thinking at all with that, it was even a USP at the time!!! Comes with a fan controller.... but no other fans fit without modding, lol.

At least they tried. *gently pats Corsair on the head*

...

Oh and I just realised you gave me some rep, thanks. Although, I really wish it wasn't for picking apart everything I hate about a case we both own, it seems rather self-deprecating. Ha... Ha...
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The 200mm fan was flimsy and poor, so were the rest of the case fans combined with restrictive mesh, I swapped them out for SP120 fans and case, hard drive and everything else dropped in temp.

The cable management is bad, I've spent years fighting with it and I wouldn't say I'm bad at cable management either. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Notice how no cables run across the back of the motheboard tray? that's because I simply cannot be bothered fighting with the panel anymore, even with the skate ramp dent on the side it's a massive pain. I didn't struggle one bit with the cable situation with my gf's build in the Define S.
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I would like to offer my opinion on this subject matter, if you don't mind.

Regarding what you're looking for in a case, the 500R only meets half of the requirements, but not out-of-the-box. The airflow of the case can be well optimised and effective, but not using the included stock fans, they are truly useless and I swapped them out very soon after getting the case. There is plenty of room for air to move around the case and there are many options for mounting fans, however, I would say that the front and top grills are more restrictive than average, and as I recall (it was so long ago when I bought the case I can't even remember if it's true or not) they both have filters that are very restrictive, and should either be removed or replaced.

As for cable management; it's a challenge at best. One might think that the bulge on the side panel helps, but it is negated by the recessed motherboard tray. If you have a fully modular PSU with soft, easily bendable wires, then effective and neat cable management can be achieved, but not quickly nor easily. I plan to make my own custom length cables, individually sleeved, as I feel it is the only way to achieve acceptable cable management, any cable that is more than 5cm too long is a pain to manage.

Considering the price point, I say the negatives of the case outweigh the postive. Personally, I am happy with my 500R, because when I see my case, I don't look at what it is, I look at what it can become. I must admit, I have also dismissed a lot of the faults of the case simply because I admire the way it looks. However, for someone who does not already own the 500R such as yourself, there is no way I can recommend it when there are better alternatives out there.

As previously mentioned by another member, there is the Define S from Fractal Design. If I did not already own the 500R, I would own the Define S. It comes down to personal preference, individual needs and the subjective nature of aesthetics, so maybe the Define S doesn't appeal to you as much, but objectively speaking, the Define S is a better case, and much cheaper too. Of course there are more than just two cases in the market, so I would suggest you take a look around and see what meets your own needs. If watercooling is in your future, and I'm talking about a custom loop not AIOs, then the 500R should not be on your list.

The 500R would be perfectly acceptable if it came in at a lower price point. The style of the case is great, the powder coating on the chassis is well done and hard wearing, the paint on the panels is smooth and even, the hard drive cages are tool-less and surprisingly strong, there are plenty of fan mounting positions all with rubber spacers (except the one fan mount on the bottom) to reduce vibrations, all cable routing holes have rubber grommets, there are 4 tool-less drive bays, the case has an included 3-pin fan controller with an LED button (the controller is proprietary with the stock fans, but the 3-pin headers can have their pins re-arranged to work with any fan), the bulged out side panel allows large CPU heatsinks to be installed (but be mindful if you are using the 200mm side panel fan), all of Corsair's 240mm AIO units will fit with ease, and most AIOs from other companies will too, the general construction and build quality is acceptable, but individual panels may be thinner in some places, but taken as a whole it stands as strong as most other cases, and finally, installing a complete system into the case is surprisingly easy, except for the cable management issues, but once again, this can be slightly mitigated if your PSU is fully modular with soft cables. So, there are several good things I can say about the case.

However, if you are considering a custom loop, then definitely do not buy it, unless like me, you enjoy modding. There is almost no native support for radiators, if your motherboard has small VRM heatsinks then you can fit a 30mm thick, 240mm long radiator up top, but nothing thicker. To counteract my previous paragraph, I'll list some things I don't like about the case. Lack of native radiator support for custom loops. Lack of custom loop support in general (pump and reservoir mounting is very difficult without careful consideration and modding), the hard drive cages are strong and actually don't restrict airflow as much as much as others I have worked with, however, the trays that slide into them are made of plastic that fits loosely into the cage and causes vibrations that will annoy you very quickly, the included fans are completely useless, I can't recall ever having owned or seen fans as cheap and flimsy as these, the included dust filters are far too restrictive, with the possible exception of the bottom filter, the recessed motherboard tray is a perfect example of style over substance, I really like the curve that runs along the tray, it looks clean and cool, but it makes cable management an infuriating task and offers no practical benefit whatsoever, some panels are thinner than others and can resonate with fans/components causing vibration noises, the rubber grommets started to decay after about a year, leaving behind grimy, black residue that got all over the cables, then my hands, then the white panels and had to be thoroughly cleaned by removing them from the case and soaking in hot, soapy water, the front USB 3.0 ports failed and would either produce USB 2.0 speeds or not work at all, I contacted Corsair and got a free replacement of the panel (Corsair's customer service is fantastic, I can always say good things about it) which had the exact same problem, so it seems to be an inherent fault in the design, the fan controller is a nice touch, but annoyingly proprietary, I mean, come on, proprietary, seriously? And... That's all I can think of right now.

I just realised this has become an incredibly long rant, so you have my apologies and I will just sum it up. I cannot in good conscience recommend the 500R when cases like the Define S exist at a cheaper price.

Thanks to both of you for your input and personal experiences with the 500R. This is what I needed, real life experience and detailed break down of the issues and overall thoughts on the case.

I have to admit after reading all of that, I am seriously reconsidering the 500R. I never planned on swapping out or adding any fans as I initially had thought they were sufficient especially with that 200m fan. I also thought the bulge on the side panels, even with the indented motherboard tray would still be excellent for cable management. I was simply going to use the case as is from straight out of the box.

That being said what are some cases you guys would recommend other than the define S? What are some cases that have fans that aren’t poor in quality and performance that I could use straight out of the box with acceptable and effective dust filters? I’m mainly looking for something that has great airflow and offer great cable management and overall great quality. I don’t mind if the case has LED’s, as long as I can turn them off. A side window is not a must but if the case can satisfy my main needs, then I wouldn’t mind. I’m going to definitely stick with air cooling and in fact I will be using the Noctua U14S. Price is not an issue if I can get something quality that will meet my main needs such as great air flow and cable management. I realized that the 500R is an old case and that there are much better options out there.

Having USB ports fail on you later down the road is a scary thing to hear, so coinciding with my main needs, quality is very important in what I am looking for, that don’t have USB ports failing in a few years time.
Edited by Jasonm99 - 1/5/16 at 7:23pm
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Jasonm99, I haven't read through all the last few posts, but as someone who bought the 500R when it came out 4 years ago and you can see several posts from me in this thread's early days. having done many tweaks to the setup and having built another half dozen systems in it, don't think to buy one today. it was NEVER a good value and as far as two, maybe three years ago IMO it became totally non option for a new case at it's price. the included fans suck, the lack of a side dust filter sucks, the front mesh isn't much of a filter, I had replaced mine quickly, the fan controller only fits the included case fans unless you break a piece off. could go on and on. also, the rubber grommets have some black crap constantly leaking/rubbing off from around them (only case I've ever seen this in, and all the ones I built in had it) that gets all over things you pass through and your hands. I recently gave mine to a friend for free. I did have a usb port die, but I've had that happen with 4 cases. it happens. anyway seems you already got the picture, the Define S is a very good option and is priced better too. though if you remove the moduvents on top there is no dust protection there either.
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Thanks to both of you for your input and personal experiences with the 500R. This is what I needed, real life experience and detailed break down of the issues and overall thoughts on the case.

I have to admit after reading all of that, I am seriously reconsidering the 500R. I never planned on swapping out or adding any fans as I initially had thought they were sufficient especially with that 200m fan. I also thought the bulge on the side panels, even with the indented motherboard tray would still be excellent for cable management. I was simply going to use the case as is from straight out of the box.

That being said what are some cases you guys would recommend other than the define S? What are some cases that have fans that aren’t poor in quality and performance that I could use straight out of the box with acceptable and effective dust filters? I’m mainly looking for something that has great airflow and offer great cable management and overall great quality. I don’t mind if the case has LED’s, as long as I can turn them off. A side window is not a must but if the case can satisfy my main needs, then I wouldn’t mind. I’m going to definitely stick with air cooling and in fact I will be using the Noctua U14S. Price is not an issue if I can get something quality that will meet my main needs such as great air flow and cable management. I realized that the 500R is an old case and that there are much better options out there.

Having USB ports fail on you later down the road is a scary thing to hear, so coinciding with my main needs, quality is very important in what I am looking for, that don’t have USB ports failing in a few years time.

If great airflow is an absolute must then you will end up swapping out stock fans for better ones to suit your needs anyway. I don't have a great deal of knowledge on cases to share, NZXT 410 Phantom have decent fans as stock but again I'd personally swap them for better ones, the 410 is pretty decent cable management wise and has a functional fan controller.
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Thanks to both of you for your input and personal experiences with the 500R. This is what I needed, real life experience and detailed break down of the issues and overall thoughts on the case.

I have to admit after reading all of that, I am seriously reconsidering the 500R. I never planned on swapping out or adding any fans as I initially had thought they were sufficient especially with that 200m fan. I also thought the bulge on the side panels, even with the indented motherboard tray would still be excellent for cable management. I was simply going to use the case as is from straight out of the box.

That being said what are some cases you guys would recommend other than the define S? What are some cases that have fans that aren’t poor in quality and performance that I could use straight out of the box with acceptable and effective dust filters? I’m mainly looking for something that has great airflow and offer great cable management and overall great quality. I don’t mind if the case has LED’s, as long as I can turn them off. A side window is not a must but if the case can satisfy my main needs, then I wouldn’t mind. I’m going to definitely stick with air cooling and in fact I will be using the Noctua U14S. Price is not an issue if I can get something quality that will meet my main needs such as great air flow and cable management. I realized that the 500R is an old case and that there are much better options out there.

Having USB ports fail on you later down the road is a scary thing to hear, so coinciding with my main needs, quality is very important in what I am looking for, that don’t have USB ports failing in a few years time.

Always happy to help and inform. The main problem with the 500R, as you mentioned, is that it is outdated, newer cases are both cheaper and better because of the way products are refined over time. I will apologise in advance once again for mentioning the Define S, but it makes a good example here. When Fractal Design released the Define R4, it was a success and many people then offered feedback which they listened to and a year later they released the R5, an even bigger success and a great case, then a few months later they release the Define S due to feedback about the R5 not having enough custom loop support. This evolution of products is great for us consumers, with the exception of very early adopters.

As such, I believe the evolution of the 500R led to the Corsair Air 540. I have actually owned the 540 as well, for a very short amount of time though. To offer a suggestion besides the Define S, I would recommend the Air 540.

First of all, it's a cube. I adore cube cases. Especially within the 540 which utilises the shape to offer two compartments, separating certain components in order to optimise air flow. As per the needs you mentioned, the 540 has 3 stock fans, the AF140L models from Corsair, good fans as far as stock fans go, performance is perfectly suitable especially in a case that is as open and non-restrictive as the 540, however, at full speed I personally consider them too loud, so you may want to invest in a fan controller or just make sure you can hook them up to your motherboard and control the voltage from there. This actually leads me on to the only thing I disliked in the 540 when building my system in to it. I installed a 5.25" fan controller into one of the vertical drive bays. Boy oh boy was that a challenge, it is possible, but not without serious concentration and patience, due to the shorter side panels of most fan controllers, the tool-less system does not function and you need to screw it in manually, which again, is a challenge. However, you can slide an optical drive in and out with ease, no problems there. So that gets the negative out of the way. For positive points, I can mention the open, non-restrictive, easy to access front and top grills that slide off after unscrewing a couple of thumb screws, which give access to the fans. The grills themselves are made of a strong mesh that contours giving it even greater rigidity. The panels are made of a strong plastic with a luxurious texture and finish to them, I think, are they plastic? I think so, sorry, I only had the case for a little while and my memory is unclear. Yes, I believe the skeleton of the case is steel including the bottom and both side panels, with the top and front removable panels being plastic. Anyway, great build quality around the outside of the case nonetheless. Moving on to the interior, there are two 3.5" hot-swappable drive cages on the bottom of the left compartment, excellent function and no vibrations that I noticed. Also fully removable should you want that. Around the back, in the right compartment, are 4 tool-less 2.5" SSD cages that are actually modular as well, so you can for example remove three of them and keep one if you wanted more space for something, like cable management. These SSD cages are simply the best I have ever personally worked with, completely tool-less and fantastic build quality. Just below the SSD cages, the PSU sits on its side, with a vent in the side panel allowing airflow, nothing good or bad to say about the PSU mounting position, other than that it works well within the context of the case. In the same compartment as the SSD cages and the PSU, you have the two, vertically positioned drive bays and front I/O connections, there is an insane amount of space to manage cables, this is going to sound pathetic, but I actually had fun managing the cables in the 540, it's just so easy and tidy. Anyway, moving back to the main compartment, you have the motherboard mounted to the middle of the case, there are many cable routing holes with rubber grommets leading back and forth and generally all around the motherboard you will notice a great sense of space. Large CPU coolers can be fitted, long GPUs can be installed, you can add in extra fans should you want to, and best of all (although maybe not for you) it has native support for 240mm, 280mm and 360mm radiators!

From my experience with the case, the only problem I encountered was when installing a fan controller, but with patience you can sort it out. It has truly fantastic air flow, genuinely pleasurable cable management, a huge tinted side panel window which beautifully shows off the interior, the exterior is in my opinion one of the best looking cases, mainly due to the cube shape. The cube shape, by the way, has a surprisingly small footprint, it's not very deep nor very tall, and fits very neatly in most places. Both the top and front grills have magnetic dust filters, too! Actually, if I had to mention one other negative point about the 540, is that the bottom panel, although being made of steel, can bend/bow slightly if you push down on it, like when unscrewing and removing the HDD cages, also, it seems that when they designed the case, they toyed with the idea of putting a dust filter on the bottom, since there is a perfect recession in the panel with a little offset for picking up a magnetic filter, but no filter is included on the bottom, there are gaps in the bottom panel where the HDD cages sit, but there are no fan mounts or fans from any other components close to these gaps, so I guess they decided to scrap the filter to reduce manufacturing costs which I would assume is passed on to the customer.

You may be wondering why I no longer own this case, well, I bought it for £110, which is not expensive by any means considering the quality of the case, however, I could not justify keeping the case because I have the 500R and didn't technically "need" to spend £110 which I could instead save and put towards something else, like watercooling.

So, from all of the cases I have personally worked with, there are only two that fit your needs which I can recommend. I would not like to recommend a case, or any product, which I have no personal experience with. The Corsair Air 540 or the Fractal Design Define S. (Technically, I have not worked directly with the Define S, but instead the Define R5, although I have seen the S in stores and structurally they are very similar, with the main difference being the HDD locations.)

Once again, my apologies for the long post, but I don't think it would be satisfactory to recommend a case without going into details.
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Jasonm99, I haven't read through all the last few posts, but as someone who bought the 500R when it came out 4 years ago and you can see several posts from me in this thread's early days. having done many tweaks to the setup and having built another half dozen systems in it, don't think to buy one today. it was NEVER a good value and as far as two, maybe three years ago IMO it became totally non option for a new case at it's price. the included fans suck, the lack of a side dust filter sucks, the front mesh isn't much of a filter, I had replaced mine quickly, the fan controller only fits the included case fans unless you break a piece off. could go on and on. also, the rubber grommets have some black crap constantly leaking/rubbing off from around them (only case I've ever seen this in, and all the ones I built in had it) that gets all over things you pass through and your hands. I recently gave mine to a friend for free. I did have a usb port die, but I've had that happen with 4 cases. it happens. anyway seems you already got the picture, the Define S is a very good option and is priced better too. though if you remove the moduvents on top there is no dust protection there either.

Yea I've definitely changed my mind about the 500R. A lot of these issues you guys mentioned about it is said by others as well so I'm more than convinced to not go with it. That being said, I was wondering if you know any great cases, other than the define S, that would come with good stock fans? I was thinking about the Phanteks Enthoo pro, or NZXT H440, or the Corsair 450D, or even the phantom 410. Out of these cases I'm leaning more towards the Enthoo pro. Do you know how well are the stock fans on the pro? I can't seem to find anywhere that states what fans are used. The only minor issue I can see with the case is that the sides of the front panel have vents that aren't filtered. Would this be a concern in terms of dust intake in the long run?
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