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OK, I've sort of weebled around about creating this log and finally decided to give it a go. Right now, I think I've got a good basic build with room some stuff that I know I'm currently lacking. A few more bits and bobs and I think I have something more than a powerful, but simple PC.

The parts that I've already ordered and assembled:
i7 2600k -- I really wanted the hyper-threading, I use a fair number of VMs and wanted to see what this chip would do. I'm also looking forward to seeing what kind of OC I can get of this; nothing extreme, but it is one of the things I want to try.
P8Z69-V Pro -- This board seemed like the right combination of OC ability and general good mobo. I'm still playing it by ear about whether or not I'm going use the on board RAID controller or whether I'm going to just export that kind of mass storage to another box.
G.Skill Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 -- I'm pretty sure that one of the things I'm going to be doing is adding another pair of sticks of this stuff.
Corsair TX650 V2 -- This seems to be scaled right to accommodate my current system, a future video card, and a fair number of hard drives and still leave 75 - 100 W of head room for peak load. No it probably wouldn't do if I ever put two high-end GPUs in the system, but I just don't see that scenario in the cards right now.
WD 1TB Caviar Black -- To me the differences between disk drives is like the difference between Ford and Chevy. For disk drives I'm a WD guy. I'm sure that there's nothing wrong with other manufacturer's stuff, but I know where I've been burned before.
WD 2TB Green -- Ok, technically this was NOT part of the original build, but when one of my external hard drives started making the "click of death", I popped over to a local electronics shop and picked one for basically dirt. Guess which company did NOT make the drive suffering the death click?
iHAS424-98 -- It's an ODD, what more is there to say? It's hard to imagine that when I bought my first CD drive I paid over $100 for it, today I wouldn't buy "just" a CD drive, look at DVD RW drives almost a throw away component.
Fractal Design Define XL -- I'd never heard of this company, but they make a nice, simple looking case purported to be very quiet. So far it's lived up to both the appearance test and the quiet test. I've really become a fan and would easily get another of their cases; none of the look like military hardware of a prop from a sci-fi movie (not that such things are bad, but sometimes you want something else) and they seem well made. However, most of that is stuff I learned in the process of this build, so I'm getting ahead of myself.
Noctua NF-P12-1300 120mm -- This goes under the ODD in the empty 5.25" bays. I wanted to improve the air flow in the upper part of the case, and I wanted something reasonably quiet. Buying only one fan I ordered what was in stock from Newegg at the time.
The Nemesis of this build – This would be the lowly 8-pin, 9" ATX power cable extender. If you get the case I did, you need one of these.
OK so the things that are left (these aren't in any particular order):
A GPU card. Aside from the fact that the build just looks neked without one, I'm already tiring of the on-board. I don't game heavily any more, but I'm starting to feel the itch again. I also know that Photoshop plays better with a dedicated GPU. I'm thinking of a gtx 460 or 560.
***Updated 9/23/11***
CPU cooling. Right now my temps blow. Badly, but then again my ambient is high. I'm right now torn between high end air (NH-D14 or SA, and no, I don't want to start that debate here) and something like an XSPC Rasa kit (I don't want to start THAT debate either). My issues have to do with the need to take a jig saw to my beautiful case to get the rad in and ruin its clean look as well potentially making it louder.
Sleeve Heat Sink Fan Y-Adapter. Those bare wires are just ugly.
An SSD. Realistically I'd probably want a 120 GB model, and even on sale those are still going for $150 or so. I'd rather spend that money on things that I don't have as opposed to a performance improvement to something I already own (the 7200 rpm caviar black.)
Front Panel USB 3.0. Fractal Design has announced that release of an upgrade kit is imminent. Pricing will be about $10 and the kit will use the mobo header. So instead of having four USB 2.0 on top of the front panel, I'll have 2 USB 2.0 and two USB 3.0. This is just a matter of waiting for the kit to be made available on Newegg.
Cable sleeving. Yes, I know, there's no window in this case. I still know that the cables look, well, meh, despite the fact the PSU cables were factory sleeved into bundles they still look slightly unfinished. No, I officially don't want a window. Quiet is more important to me than being able to watch the blinking lights, but when I do take the side off, I want feel some pride in the way it looks.
So what I have right now is a very nice and pretty powerful computer that still feels unfinished to me. I haven't played seriously with trying to OC it, mostly out of concern for where my temps are (37 - 38 C idle and spikes into the 60's under what I don't consider to be heavy loads.) I have not tried stressing it yet, that's still on my “To Do” list.

OK, so that's the boring talky part, now for a few pictures.

The obligatory box shot:


Yes, the case box officially lost the fight with the UPS guy. And I mean really lost the fight. The good news is the case was completely unmarked inside the box; it was remarkably well packed. I had a brief moment of panic when it was delivered to my office and I could hear something rattling around inside and I could obviously see the way the box looked. It turns out it was just a screw that had escaped the "accessories box" and was loose inside the case.

This case was really fun to build with. Usually I cuss a fair amount during builds and cut my hands at least once. This whole build would have been rated PG base on the cuss factor and I didn't shed a single drop of blood.

It is very black inside, and I did have to get a work light out to see what I was doing a couple of times.

Before I put the board in the case, I did a couple of beauty shots, this one of the chip set heat sink came out rather well, so I'm tossing it in here.



Cable management in this case was really easy. However, neglecting to order this little part meant that I had to run the 8-pin ATX cable up through the mobo compartment for about a week while the extender was delivered. (No, you can't buy one of them locally, I tried.) If I'd had a GPU, there might not have been enough slack to run the cable where I did temporarily.

If you buy on of these cases, just get an 8-pin extender. I've been told that with some PSUs and boards, you might need a main ATX connector extender too. I didn't, there was plenty of reach in the main power cable.



With that extender in place here are a couple of shots of the inside.





For the time being I have the disk drives in the main compartment. I need to get another 140mm case fan and move them "downstairs" to the PSU compartment. That will let me rotate, or remove, that upper HDD cage for better air flow in the main compartment.

And this is what the back-room looks like. All in all, I'm not at all displeased with cable management on this case. However, note to self, remember, yet again, why you keep saying to only buy modular PSUs....



That is all for now. I'll be back with updates as I start tackling that "To Do" list.
Edited by Florida_Dan - 9/25/11 at 1:42pm
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Nice case! Subbed for sure
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Looks awesome dude. I like the cable management. Everything's very neat. What case is that though?
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looks awesome dude. I like the cable management. Everything's very neat. What case is that though?
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fractal design define xl -- i'd never heard of this company, but they make a nice, simple looking case purported to be very quiet. So far it's lived up to both the appearance test and the quiet test. I've really become a fan and would easily get another of their cases; none of the look like military hardware of a prop from a sci-fi movie (not that such things are bad, but sometimes you want something else) and they seem well made. However, most of that is stuff i learned in the process of this build, so i'm getting ahead of myself.
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@ rockosmodlife Thanks! I wasn't at all sure about it, but I knew I wanted something quiet and not flashy. It seems to have worked out well.

@ pure_cure Thanks! The manufacturer is "Fractal Design", the line is "Define", and the model is "XL". It's a full tower, though they also make a mid-tower (the R3), and a mini (appropriately enough "Mini".) It was honestly the look that first attracted me, but they really fit the bill with the whole quiet thing.

I'll have to try and get some more pics of the case. It's a real photographic challenge, as I didn't like any of the "pure case shots" I did, I'm going to leave those up to the professionals until I can try again.
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Well, one thing led to another, and I decided that I was going to start folding on Daedalus. There was just too much computer sitting there doing nothing too much of the time....

Very early in the morning on 9/22 I got the folding client downloaded, configured, and working on its first work unit. What I noticed very quickly was that my CPU temps quickly soared the 79 - 83 C range. This was late at night with the A/C running to refriger..., ere cool, the cool the place the way I like to sleep. I don't know for sure, as I didn't measure ambient temps, but I'd hazard a guess that the room was probably in the 73 - 74 F range.

This told me immediately that the stock heat sink had to go. I barely had any OC on the chip (3800), and folding at night in a cool room was taking me up to a temperature that I felt was way too close the thermal max for the chip. There was just no way that I was going to be able to put load on the chip during the day without the A/C cranked way up. Trying to cool a second story room in the middle of summer day in Florida NOT a task for those who become faint at the sight of an electricity bill.

So I got to thinking about what my options were:
  • As much as I like the idea of water cooling, this didn't seem like the place to cut my teeth.
  • I thought for a moment about buying a $30 CM tower heat sink and decided that was just tossing money away as it would only a temporary solution. That would make the eventual cost of whatever I bought $30 more to account for a panic purchase now.
  • Just break down and buy one of the big air units I'd been thinking about for a while.

Well, that last idea won out and I even found someone who had both the units I was looking at pretty close by (about 2.5 hours north of here.) I had the day off so I took a scenic drive up the coast and went and picked up a brand new NH-D14. I wound up choosing that model on the purely personal and subjective basis of how it sounds (everything else that's objective says that the D-14 and the SA are very evenly matched otherwise.) I found recordings of both the NH-D14 and the SA on a review site about quiet computing. Both are honestly NOT quiet when they're running full out, but I found the hum of the D14 was less annoying to my ear. Please note the liberal use of "I" and "my" in that, as with most things YMMV.

So I brought my new component home and installed it. The directions where very clear (there was only place that I sorta scratched my head, but that took all of 30 seconds to sort) and installation was very easy. In very short order I had the machine back up and running. As expected, the idle temps were nothing special; I was just happy that all the fans were spinning and it looked like I'd gotten the TIM applied right and the block was making good contact with the heat spreader on the CPU.

My jaw dropped about a minute after I started the folding client back up. As expected, the temps shot up pretty quickly as soon as the client started processing the WU. However, they leveled off very quickly, after a couple of minutes the temps were leveling off in the 50-53 C range (no voltage regulator used).

I'm still at a very mild OC, so that means I've got all kinds of headroom to play with. Either I can put in one of the fan leads with an in-line resister or I can increase my OC, or both.

Of course, I then come here to see the NCIX Grand Opening sale post and am now also salivating over GPUs, but that's a different story.

Just 'cause it wouldn't be any fun with out 'em here's a couple of pictures of this thing:



The goodies that come in the box. You really could have installed this with pretty much what was in the box, the only place you'd have wound up in trouble was with cleaning up the old TIM (they don't give you anything for that.) I did not use their TIM, I had a tube of Arctic MX-2 "open" and decided I'd use that until it was gone. I have no intention of letting the NT-H1 packed with the unit go to waste, it'll get used after the MX-2 is gone.

I was a little surprised by the weight of this thing, but after handling the heat sink itself for a while you realize that the box contributes to significantly to the weight and the perception of mass. The actual unit itself is not evenly weighted. The heat block at the base is where the majority of the weight is. So that part is going to be very close to the attachment point with the board and therefore won't apply much mechanical advantage (stress) to the board.

Perhaps at some point I'll come back and add a picture of the back plate (which is also surprisingly heavy), but for now here's the unit fully installed and running.

Note to self, cross CPU cooling off of To Do list, but add item for sleeving the Y-adapter that connects the fans to the mobo.



(I just can't seem to nail the white balance in my office. I gotta take a look at what kind of light bulbs are in here.)
Edited by Florida_Dan - 9/25/11 at 1:43pm
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Keep up the good work!
    
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@Willanhanyard, thanks, I'm certainly going to try.
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