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If you look at this link the Agility 3 product page, your score is fairly close.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/res/man...duct_sheet.pdf
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If you look at this link the Agility 3 product page, your score is fairly close.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/res/man...duct_sheet.pdf
Cool, thanks for the link! I'm not sure why people are so negative on the Marvell controller on this MB. I've got the OCZ on it and my BD burner, both seem fine.

Also frees up my intel RAID ports so now I've got my 2TB disks on there.

Now it remains to be seen if the drive can keep up, so far so good.
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Cool, thanks for the link! I'm not sure why people are so negative on the Marvell controller on this MB. I've got the OCZ on it and my BD burner, both seem fine.

Also frees up my intel RAID ports so now I've got my 2TB disks on there.

Now it remains to be seen if the drive can keep up, so far so good.
You don't get TRIM on the marvell ports, it's fine to have the BD drive there though.

You should have enough Intel SATA ports there to have your HDDs in SATA2 (no point putting them into SATA3 ports), allowing you to put the SSD to intel SATA3.
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I've been noticing that there are "less" complaints on the OCZ Vertex 3 forum lately after 2.13. I thought that perhaps they are finally getting a handle on things.

Then I realized that the staff has been moving most of the complaint threads to another part of the forum where they end up not being seen by the majority of users.

On the front page of the OCZ forum under the general section, there is a tab for "comments." It's actually the comments, complaints and suggestions section.

So now, the strong complaints gets moved and anybody asking for help nicely just gets ignored till the thread goes away.

Don't believe me?

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ppearing-drive...

Posted on the 24th, no support staff help.

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...-come-back-yet.

Posted on the 23rd, no staff help.

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...-with-Vertex-3

Posted on the 11th, no staff help.

And we have people on this forum defending ocz! Good jobs guys.
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They've treated customers poorly ever since the beginning of these firmware problems at least.

They were condescending and disrespectful right from the beginning:
  • Implied we were drama queens that were imagining all these problems
  • Implied we didn't know how to properly "setup" and install Windows
  • Then they told us everything was "fine"
  • Then it was about "bad" SATA cables
  • Then it was again not knowing how to configure our systems
  • Then it was about not following their time-consuming 50 000 steps they gave us that never worked for 99.9% of us
  • And then when we complained about being given contradictory messages they would censor us, give us warnings, or threaten to ban us
  • All the while they labelled it an "issue that affected 1% of the drives" and diverted the blame to mobo manufacturers, Intel, BIOSES, overclocks, RAM, psu's, other components, and anything in the name of damage control
  • When confronted about any of this staff and mods would delete people's posts, give them warnings, threaten to ban them, send their Vertex 3 complaints OUT of the Vertex 3 forum and into the "Complaints and Suggestions forum" where nobody even further gives a crap


It was like this from the very beginning.
please read this - http://www.anandtech.com/show/4604/t...sds-compared/2

I don't believe the issue is entirely due to a lack of testing/validation. SandForce drives are operating at speeds that just a year ago no one even thought of hitting on a single SATA port. Prior to the SF-2281 I'm not sure that a lot of these motherboard manufacturers ever really tested if you could push more than 400MB/s over their SATA ports. I know that type of testing happens during chipset development, but I'd be surprised if every single motherboard manufacturer did the same.

Regardless the problem does still exist and it's a valid reason to look elsewhere. My best advice is to look around and see if other users have had issues with these drives and have a similar system setup to you. If you do own one of these drives and are having issues, I don't know that there's a good solution out today. Your best bet is to get your money back and try a different drive from a different vendor.

Update: I'm still working on a sort of litmus test to get this problem to appear more consistently. Unfortunately even with the platform and conditions narrowed down, it's still an issue that appears rarely, randomly and without any sort of predictability. SandForce has offered to fly down to my office to do a trace on the system as soon as I can reproduce it regularly.
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please read this - http://www.anandtech.com/show/4604/t...sds-compared/2

I don't believe the issue is entirely due to a lack of testing/validation. SandForce drives are operating at speeds that just a year ago no one even thought of hitting on a single SATA port. Prior to the SF-2281 I'm not sure that a lot of these motherboard manufacturers ever really tested if you could push more than 400MB/s over their SATA ports. I know that type of testing happens during chipset development, but I'd be surprised if every single motherboard manufacturer did the same.

Regardless the problem does still exist and it's a valid reason to look elsewhere. My best advice is to look around and see if other users have had issues with these drives and have a similar system setup to you. If you do own one of these drives and are having issues, I don't know that there's a good solution out today. Your best bet is to get your money back and try a different drive from a different vendor.

Update: I'm still working on a sort of litmus test to get this problem to appear more consistently. Unfortunately even with the platform and conditions narrowed down, it's still an issue that appears rarely, randomly and without any sort of predictability. SandForce has offered to fly down to my office to do a trace on the system as soon as I can reproduce it regularly.
There is just one problem with that theory and it's called the Crucial M4.

The M4 pushes 500mb sequentials and does not have the problems.

For that matter, the Intel 510 pushed 450 or so and also does not have the problem.
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OCZ currently has a poll going for the 2.13 firmware on their support site.

"Did firmware 2.13 help your system stability?"

24 people answered yes.

32 people answered no.
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You don't get TRIM on the marvell ports, it's fine to have the BD drive there though.

You should have enough Intel SATA ports there to have your HDDs in SATA2 (no point putting them into SATA3 ports), allowing you to put the SSD to intel SATA3.
Are you talking about the posts over on crucial's forum?

All I'm seeing is the same conflicting information posted over and over again. I have yet to see any official company reps with a definitive answer to this.


All I know is that my rig has been stable since upgrading to 2.13 AND moving the drive over to the Marvell ports.

I gave some serious thought to moving the drive back to the intel ports and testing, but you know what, I haven't had a stable system for this long in a while, so instead I'm going to get some gaming done, then I'll revisit this later, hopefully after all the various hardware vendors are done with the finger pointing, and have some solutions worked out.
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post #39 of 52
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Are you talking about the posts over on crucial's forum?

All I'm seeing is the same conflicting information posted over and over again. I have yet to see any official company reps with a definitive answer to this.
There and elsewhere too, all say the same. Put it this way, if it did then you'd have the manufacturers saying it does support it .. there's enough AMD owners around. Obviously happy to be proven wrong for those who need to use it.

If I owned a Gen3 SF based drive, I'd try everything also (those 100+ 'solutions' you guys have been offered) to make it stable like you but I went another way and don't have to worry about Secure Erase, throttling or trying to get my drive stable.

All that said, I think TRIM is over-rated (just my opinion). I ran my older Vertex2 without TRIM (disabled in Win7) for few weeks and saw nothing different (it throttled like they always do) and obviously I don't have TRIM on my current RAID setup and it's not degrading .. CG does the job, you may find the same.
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Pffff, I have my own theory on this whole thing...I think Intel's been withholding info about their chipset problem and that everyone is trying to fix something on SF end that cannot really be fixed, only maybe worked around. Way less issues in AMD camp and older systems with SATA-3 do not really report problem either, at least not nearly as frequently as H/P67/Z68s do.
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