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Originally Posted by GasMan320;15286362 
What's it do? I am setting Robocopy up right now and following your tutorial as we speak!

One tip I wanted to add, if you do multiple backups (ie daily/weekly/etc) you may want to use the /LOG+ option instead of simply /LOG so that it will append to your existing log file instead of overwriting it.

Interested in knowing what your script does...

So far I think I'm going to do the following: Have Win7 do a daily system image, but not backup any individual files. Then have Robocopy do a complete copy of my storage drive. The only thing I'm afraid of is what if it is erroring out from time to time and if nobody checks the log file, there's no way of knowing.


EDIT: Ok so after reading about Robocopy some more, I'm wondering if I really should be using it or not. I read that it cannot backup open or locked files (since it doesn't use Windows' Volume Shadow service). Not sure if it is risky to be copying my entire drive if it will be skipping some things depending on what is happening on the system at the time. For example, if someone is using Outlook at that time, the outlook mailbox file will be locked and none of it will be copied over.

Sigh...the search for an automated easy backup solution continues I guess. frown.gif

Thanks for the tip. biggrin.gif

Hopefully out can figure something out.
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Interested in knowing what your script does...

It runs robocopy for my pc to my external drive, secondary drive, and my server at once lol smile.gif
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It runs robocopy for my pc to my external drive, secondary drive, and my server at once lol smile.gif

Very nice! Could you share it please? Sounds interesting!
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Very nice! Could you share it please? Sounds interesting!

Here it is, it backs up my data to 3 different locations. smile.gif

And thanks a lot for the /log+ tip again. It is awesome! wink.gif

Now what I want to know is how to make it a hidden process as in teh CMD window doesn't pop up. I think I can by making it a .vbs, but IDK how. frown.gif

Code:
Robocopy "D:\Documents" "\\William-PC\Back Up\My Documents" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DocumentsRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\Music" "\\William-PC\Back Up\Music" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\MusicRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\Pictures" "\\William-PC\Back Up\Pictures" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\PicturesRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\Programs" "\\William-PC\Back Up\Programs" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\ProgramsRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\Videos" "\\William-PC\Back Up\Videos" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\VideosRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\Desktop" "\\William-PC\Back Up\Desktop" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DesktopRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\Downloads" "\\William-PC\Back Up\Downloads" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DownloadsRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\Saved Games" "\\William-PC\Back Up\Saved Games" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\SavedGamesRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\User" "\\William-PC\Back Up\User" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\UserRoboLogServer.txt
Robocopy "D:\Ze Other Stuff" "\\William-PC\Back Up\Ze Other Stuff" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\ZeOtherStuffRoboLogServer.txt

Robocopy "D:\Documents" "E:\Back Up\My Documents" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DocumentsRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\Music" "E:\Back Up\Music" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\MusicRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\Pictures" "E:\Back Up\Pictures" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\PicturesRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\Programs" "E:\Back Up\Programs" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\ProgramsRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\Videos" "E:\Back Up\Videos" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\VideosRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\Desktop" "E:\Back Up\Desktop" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DesktopRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\Downloads" "E:\Back Up\Downloads" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DownloadsRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\Saved Games" "E:\Back Up\Saved Games" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\SavedGamesRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\User" "E:\Back Up\User" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\UserRoboLogSecondDrive.txt
Robocopy "D:\Ze Other Stuff" "E:\Back Up\Ze Other Stuff" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\ZeOtherStuffRoboLogSecondDrive.txt

Robocopy "D:\Documents" "F:\Back-Up Storage\My Documents" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DocumentsRoboLogExternal.txt
Robocopy "D:\Music" "F:\Back-Up Storage\Music" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\MusicRoboLogExternal.txt
Robocopy "D:\Pictures" "F:\Back-Up Storage\Pictures" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\PicturesRoboLogExternal.txt
Robocopy "D:\Programs" "F:\Back-Up Storage\Programs" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\ProgramsRoboLogExternal.txt
Robocopy "D:\Videos" "F:\Back-Up Storage\Videos" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\VideosRoboLogExternal.txt
Robocopy "D:\Desktop" "F:\Back Up\Desktop" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DesktopRoboLogExternal.txt
Robocopy "D:\Downloads" "F:\Back Up\Downloads" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\DownloadsRoboLogExternal.txt
Robocopy "D:\Saved Games" "F:\Back Up\Saved Games" /E /V /PURGE /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\SavedGamesRoboLogExternal.txt
Robocopy "D:\User" "F:\Back Up\User" /E /V /PURGE /XD "D:\User\Program Files\Fraps" "D:\User\Program Files\Steam" /ETA /R:5 /W:15 /log+:D:\Desktop\UserRoboLogExternal.txt
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Great script Sean!

Ok so I've been messing around with Robocopy and up until yesterday I was sort of annoyed that if I used Robocopy it would not be a 100% sure thing since it was not able to backup any locked or open files. For example, if you use Outlook for email and forgot to close the program before your backup program ran, it would completely skip that file and you would have no emails backed up.

Well I kept looking around on Google for a solution or alternative and ended up figuring out a really cool way to have my cake and eat it too! smile.gif

So, like I said, its true that Robocopy doesn't handle open/locked files, BUT if we use Robocopy and wrap around it another program, called ShadowSpawn, we can then duplicate the same backup style that Windows Backup uses itself -- creating a temporary shadowed copy of all the files that you want to backup so that if you end up opening or using any of the files that you're copying, it will still work! smile.gif

Ok, so this is how I set it up -- anyone who is reading this, feel free to customize your setup as you wish. I wanted an automated solution that would wake my computer up every night, create a shadow copy, back up my files, and then put my computer to sleep after it was done.

What I use:
--Windows 7 Task Scheduler (included in Win7)
--ShadowSpawn 0.2.1-x64
--Robocopy (included in Win7)

Ok, so the first step is to create a task in Task Scheduler. Give your task a name, mine is simply called Custom Backup. Make sure it is set to "Run with highest privileges". On the Triggers tab, set up your schedule. I have my backup run every night at midnight except for on Saturday nights (on Sat night I have the system do a full virus scan instead).

Then on the Actions tab select New, choose "Start a Program" as the action, and browse to your ShadowSpawn.exe file. Select that file and then in the "Add arguments (optional)" field, enter in your Robocopy script. MAKE SURE you change your Robocopy script to work with ShadowSpawn. It can't just be your regular Robocopy script. Instead, what you need to do is setup a drive letter (which isn't being used) as the Temporary Drive where all your files are shadowed while your backup is being made.

In my example below, I am backing up all the contents of the directory 'Stuff' on my hard drive (D:) to my external hard drive (Z:) but I am using the drive letter Q: as my temporary shadow drive. So D:\Stuff is shadowed to Q:, and then Robocopy takes everything from Q:\ and copies it to Z:\Backup\Stuff. You can put this all in as one command with your robocopy flags at the end.
Code:
D:\Stuff\ Q: Robocopy Q:\ Z:\Backup\Stuff /V /MIR /R:5 /W:5 /TEE /LOG+:Z:\Backup\BackupLog.txt

Be super careful about syntax errors. When you specify your fake drive, you don't include a backslash (just Q:), and when you use the Robocopy command, then you do include a backslash (Q:\).

So this will now do a shadowed backup of my D:\Stuff directory to my Z:\Backup\Stuff directory. Now, I like having my computer sleep whenever its not being used, so I want to make sure it wakes up every night to run this program. Under the Conditions tab in my task, I choose "Wake the computer to run this task" and uncheck all the other boxes on that page. You can of course choose to do it however you want.

Ok so that takes care of the computer waking up, and running the backup with the shadow drive. But one thing I want is for the computer to immediately go to sleep after it has finished! I could wait for the regular idle timeout to take place before it goes to sleep, but....why wait? tongue.gif

So, the next step is this. Open up notepad, copy the following text into it:
Code:
%windir%\System32\rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,SetSuspendState

and then save it as sleepnow.bat. If you saved it correctly, the icon of the file should change from a regular text file. Put this file in a safe place and on the Actions tab of the same Task you just created, click on New and browse to the sleepnow.bat file you just created. Make sure that this action shows up BELOW the ShadowSpawn/Robocopy action in your action sequence.

And there you go! smile.gif Now your computer will wake up, back itself up, and go to sleep, all on its own, AND you don't have to worry about files not being copied because they were in use! smile.gif

Let me know if this helped you out, I sure hope it did!
Edited by GasMan320 - 11/12/11 at 3:42pm
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EDIT: Ok so after reading about Robocopy some more, I'm wondering if I really should be using it or not. I read that it cannot backup open or locked files (since it doesn't use Windows' Volume Shadow service). Not sure if it is risky to be copying my entire drive if it will be skipping some things depending on what is happening on the system at the time. For example, if someone is using Outlook at that time, the outlook mailbox file will be locked and none of it will be copied over.

Sigh...the search for an automated easy backup solution continues I guess. frown.gif

Check robocopy /?

If Robocopy hits a file in use, it will retry the number of times ( /R;n) with a time you specify between retrys (/W:n) The defalut retry times is one million, default between tries is 30 seconds. I *think* it skips that file and continues with the process.

The solution is to run the backup late at night when nothing is in use if you keep your computers on 24/7, or to run it manually when your done. What I do is have a bat file that runs my robocopy scripts whenever I click it and I have one set to specificlly shut down the computer when its done as I turn my computer off at night. This is accomplished by having the final line of the batch being: shutdown /s.

If you leave the your computer(s) on all the time and fear forgetting to close, say outlook, before leaving and then a late night backup faults out you will need to schedule a kill for all programs before the backup. nircmd is a standalone program you can schedule that handle this. I've never used it but heard of many times over the years.

You could also run tasklist and taskkill from the cmd line to see running exe processes and to kill them. The issue with any taskkill is that if the program is in a state than prompts a question at close, it still pauses. You might be able to set your program to have a default that saves automatically on close. Probably depends on the program. Not sure.

You can use taskkill /im firefox.exe|chrome.exe|winword.exe, etc to kill a program
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GasMan320, that is so full of awesome that I don't know what to say! lol

I'm going to put this in the OP thanks, I really appreciate it. I'll do it later when I have the chance. smile.gif

And ddietz, I'll lok into that too. The taskkill tip is good. smile.gif
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Nice job gasman, my reply crossed yours. I like what you found, but don't get how the shadow works. If you do shadow it will copy even locked or open files???
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Nice job gasman, my reply crossed yours. I like what you found, but don't get how the shadow works. If you do shadow it will copy even locked or open files???

Yep, that is how I believe it works.

From ShadowSpawn's website:
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What Is ShadowSpawn?

ShadowSpawn is a tool for working with shadow copies. Shadow copies are read-only snapshots of your disk. Working with shadow copies instead of the actual files allows you to do things like work with in-use (locked) files.

ShadowSpawn works by making a shadow copy of your disk, making it available at a drive letter, then launching (spawning) another program that you specify.
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Just installed the x64 of shadowcopy. Works awesome!

Seems that installing doe snot make it a global command in cmd. I have to navigate to the folder containing shadowspawn.exe to call it. I seem to remember there is a play to install things to make them always accessible from cmd but I can't remember it now. Anyone know that?

Also, since I am in the middle of doing something else, I have not restarted my computer. I don't know if that would affect the install or not.
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Originally Posted by ddietz;15320530 
Just installed the x64 of shadowcopy. Works awesome!

Seems that installing doe snot make it a global command in cmd. I have to navigate to the folder containing shadowspawn.exe to call it. I seem to remember there is a play to install things to make them always accessible from cmd but I can't remember it now. Anyone know that?

Also, since I am in the middle of doing something else, I have not restarted my computer. I don't know if that would affect the install or not.

Copy ShadowSpawn.exe to C:\Windows\System32\ directory. Then it should become globally accessible. smile.gif
Edited by GasMan320 - 11/12/11 at 3:44pm
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