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post #1401 of 2478
actually i be glad for lift off adjustment if it was possible to add on the older models wouldnt have to waste money on mouse skates
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Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post

I would much rather work on improving my hand's precision and steadyness than just blanket everything with an overly aggressive smoothing algorithm. There is no significant jitter on the older models, further smoothing at that point is akin to tossing FXAA on top of an image that is already supersampled and passed through 16x MSAA - there are no more aliased edges to fix, all you are accomplishing at this point is image quality reduction.

DPI steps on older versions are practical. 450, 900, and 1800 are all very useable, and can suit pretty much any game engine and play style. 3600 is already impractical for most users, there is ability no need to double that further still, especially not at the cost of inferior tracking. This is made worse the fact that all DPI settings below the impractically high native resolution are all poorly interpolated (hence the need for the previously mentioned excessive smoothing).

As for my issue Synapse 2.0 itself, it has nothing to do with features and everything to do with implementation. Added features are always a nice bonus, but they only go so far. The features new to synapse 2.0 are few and weak, and do not make up for the platform's serious flaws. Those flaws of course being the widely documented compatibility issues with other software, the constant random mouse input lockups, windows boot issues, and BSODs.

The only improvements the 2013 model bring to the table are the (subjectively) better side grips, the nifty but entirely unneeded adjustable LOD, and the "better" scroll wheel that is really a double edged sword, not a straight improvement.

I've used my 2013 DA in comparison to my DA:BE and I have to tell ya... Outside of the horrid liftoff distance of the BE there is little difference of the cursor movements between either one. DEFINITELY not anything that caused me to miss a shot vs the other one. That's just my take away from the whole deal. Granted I play at 900 DPI, I'm no professional, but I am anal retentive and couldn't fault the new DA. I don't use Synapse, so that stuff doesn't bother me.
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I would much rather work on improving my hand's precision and steadyness than just blanket everything with an overly aggressive smoothing algorithm. There is no significant jitter on the older models, further smoothing at that point is akin to tossing FXAA on top of an image that is already supersampled and passed through 16x MSAA - there are no more aliased edges to fix, all you are accomplishing at this point is image quality reduction.

DPI steps on older versions are practical. 450, 900, and 1800 are all very useable, and can suit pretty much any game engine and play style. 3600 is already impractical for most users, there is ability no need to double that further still, especially not at the cost of inferior tracking. This is made worse the fact that all DPI settings below the impractically high native resolution are all poorly interpolated (hence the need for the previously mentioned excessive smoothing).

As for my issue Synapse 2.0 itself, it has nothing to do with features and everything to do with implementation. Added features are always a nice bonus, but they only go so far. The features new to synapse 2.0 are few and weak, and do not make up for the platform's serious flaws. Those flaws of course being the widely documented compatibility issues with other software, the constant random mouse input lockups, windows boot issues, and BSODs.

The only improvements the 2013 model bring to the table are the (subjectively) better side grips, the nifty but entirely unneeded adjustable LOD, and the "better" scroll wheel that is really a double edged sword, not a straight improvement.

How do you determine if the DA 2013 has "an overly aggressive smoothing algorithm"? If a mouse has prediction, that is easy to show as is jitter and acceleration. Nobody has demonstrated smoothing on any mouse, just assume it has it because there is no jitter at high dpi. That doesn't prove anything but everyone has accepted that the new mice such as Rival, DA 2013 and Mionix 7000 have smoothing and written them off, based mostly on conjecture.

Why does smoothing come at the cost of inferior tracking? All mice have smoothing, excessive amounts would be close to prediction, but no one has ever shown the DA 2013 to have any kind of prediction. It would be easy to show. So why does it have inferior tracking, or rather what have you observed that has lead to that conclusion?

I am fortunate that I have had none of those problems with Synapse software and it would be frustrating for those that do. But given how many people use Razer mice, I can't imagine those problems are very common, else forums would be flooded with complaints. I know a couple of people who use Synapse and it has been fine for them. Razer drivers seem to have the same percent of problems as other manufacturers, just given the amount of users it seems like more.
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I've used my 2013 DA in comparison to my DA:BE and I have to tell ya... Outside of the horrid liftoff distance of the BE there is little difference of the cursor movements between either one. DEFINITELY not anything that caused me to miss a shot vs the other one. That's just my take away from the whole deal. Granted I play at 900 DPI, I'm no professional, but I am anal retentive and couldn't fault the new DA. I don't use Synapse, so that stuff doesn't bother me.

I'm in agreement with this as well. It was a huge relief not to have that pretty 'meh' LOD of the BE. Other than that, it was fantastic. I think the coating on the 2013 is better, though.
 
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post #1405 of 2478
So, my scroll wheel on my "Original in BE's Skin" Deathadder finally started to fritz out on me about 3 days ago. Scrolling in either direction would sometimes either just shake the screen, or scroll the wrong way. Today it got to the point that the wheel was pretty much 100% unusable.

The wheel and all associated components are from my 2007 3G model, and have been used for over 20 thousand hours.

Took the mouse apart, removed and cleaned the wheel, use some DeOxit D5 on the wheel encoder assembly, reseated the wheel, put it back together, annnnnnd...

Good as freaking new. thumb.gif

This guy just keeps going. Hopefully this helps some of you guys with mouse wheel issues. I know it is a very commonly reported issue without much of a successful fix rate, and this is the first time I've had a chance to experience and thus take a crack at solving it myself.
Edited by Zero4549 - 3/9/14 at 9:17pm
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So I was at the grocery with my wife and saw they had the Razer DeathAdder 3500dpi marked down to $27.99. I've been using a Krait for 7 years with no issues. I haven't really kept up with the different DeathAdder models. Is this a good deal or just a low price for a bad model?
post #1407 of 2478
$28 for a 3.5G DeathAdder seems good to me...
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So I was at the grocery with my wife and saw they had the Razer DeathAdder 3500dpi marked down to $27.99. I've been using a Krait for 7 years with no issues. I haven't really kept up with the different DeathAdder models. Is this a good deal or just a low price for a bad model?
All the DAs are good. Looks like a good deal if legit.
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If legit, go for it.
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post #1410 of 2478
I say go for the deathadder 3.5g
Edited by RavoKed - 3/15/14 at 12:20am
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