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Just curious, but which type of surface woud a 3.5g work best on? Plastic or cloth, or identical?
post #152 of 2468
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That seems to have worked. Though while the computer was offed I switched out a usb keyboard for a ps/2 keyboard. Not really certain if that would have also made a difference.

It could be either or both.

The idea is that your USB controller tries to power down the USB to a sleep state when not actively in use. What triggers inactivity is often quite sketchy, doubly so on overclocked hardware. Even worse, powering back up from a sleep state on a device that is designed to never sleep (such as ANY razer mouse) pretty much always causes issues.

On the other hand, it could be that you were simply overtaxing a particular bus. In which case, removing the keyboard power draw from it could have fixed it. Either way, glad its working!
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Just curious, but which type of surface woud a 3.5g work best on? Plastic or cloth, or identical?

As I recall, the DA was originally paired up with the Mantis, which is a dark cloth pad. I use mine on a Goliathus which is a flat black pad. Never have any issues. Don't see any reason to switch to a hard pad. Why eat through mouse feet and make your wrist uncomfortable for no reason right?
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post #153 of 2468
Actually, I like my sphex for its smoothness. Havn't tried the Goliathus speed yet, but didnt really like my friends Qck.
post #154 of 2468
Hyperglides came in. Placed them on top of the stock feet. So much better! No more drag. I tried using the tape fix but it seemed like it was having trouble registering subtle movements. I'll try to replace it again today and test. I did love the reduced LOD though. Honestly, if they just replaced the stock feet with taller teflon glides and reduced LOD, would be the perfect mouse for most IME 3.0 users.

Still trying to figure if I'm better off at 450 DPI 6/11 or 1800 3/11 using MarkC Fix. Been reading that there is a lot of acceleration issues under 1800. Can anyone confirm this?
post #155 of 2468
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Hyperglides came in. Placed them on top of the stock feet. So much better! No more drag. I tried using the tape fix but it seemed like it was having trouble registering subtle movements. I'll try to replace it again today and test. I did love the reduced LOD though. Honestly, if they just replaced the stock feet with taller teflon glides and reduced LOD, would be the perfect mouse for most IME 3.0 users.
Still trying to figure if I'm better off at 450 DPI 6/11 or 1800 3/11 using MarkC Fix. Been reading that there is a lot of acceleration issues under 1800. Can anyone confirm this?

I'm interested that you point where you saw those remarks about accel issues under 1800CPI on a DA3.5G.

As far as I can tell all of the DA's perform best at 1800CPI & 500Hz.
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Hyperglides came in. Placed them on top of the stock feet. So much better! No more drag. I tried using the tape fix but it seemed like it was having trouble registering subtle movements. I'll try to replace it again today and test. I did love the reduced LOD though. Honestly, if they just replaced the stock feet with taller teflon glides and reduced LOD, would be the perfect mouse for most IME 3.0 users.
Still trying to figure if I'm better off at 450 DPI 6/11 or 1800 3/11 using MarkC Fix. Been reading that there is a lot of acceleration issues under 1800. Can anyone confirm this?

Hi.
I've been using the 3g v2 DA for about a year and a half now and besides my own experiences I've also done a fair bit of "research" (ie trawling through a multitude of forum threads, reviews etc).
The front page of this thread doesn't actually say whether the BE is v3 pcb or v2 pcb but I'm assuming from the info given that it's v3 which means 450 dpi on your mouse will actually be 450 dpi and not 520 dpi (cheers for that info btw OP). In regard to your set up and question, I can provide the following info. Take it as you wish.

DAs perfect contol speed is lower at 900 dpi and lower still at 450 dpi - unless you're mister super swipe, this shouldn't be an issue. I've read a post from a pro CS player (Karrigan?) saying that he used the DA at 450 dpi with no issues. He also went on to say that most other pros he knew, that used the DA, used it at 450 dpi "one way or another" (meaning either 1800 dpi 3/11 or 450 dpi 6/11).
Stacking mouse skates reduces the DAs ability to track at high speeds.
Using scotch tape (cellotape to me;)) reduces the DAs ability to track at high speeds.
I would guess then, that stacking skates AND using scotch tape AND using 450 dpi is probably a bad idea, especially if you're mister super swipe ... but y'know ... give it a whirl.

Mister super swipe here .. claims acceleration problems at 450 dpi. I've not experienced this but haven't used it at 450 dpi extensively. I've also read that the mousing surface can sometimes cause this. Again, give it a whirl.
As I've said, during the periods of time where I've used the DA at 450 dpi, I haven't noticed any adverse acceleration BUT it always felt different and I could never get the speed right even with the correct dpi vs sens calculations. The OPs info that it's actually 520 dpi goes a long way to explaining this.
There are many many reviews with charts and graphs and many many forums with differing info. The majority of which will tell you what I've just told you. I can't think of anything else right now and this is the second typing of all this since my first attempt got completely wiped when I tried to submit = / grrr. I may have left something out but I hope what's here is of some use.
Cheers.
post #157 of 2468
Wow, very nice post. +Rep to you good sir. I'll be playing around with the tape a bit. I don't think I'll be hitting the max tracking speed since I didn't really hit it with the IE 3.0. I play at 450 dpi, 6/11 windows, and 1.3-1.6 in CS:S at 1920x1200. I don't think I'm a super sweeper. I'll have to check how far it takes for a 360. I used the IE 3.0 while I was waiting on the hyperglides and I really missed the low LOD. If I can manage to lower the LOD without sacrificing tracking too much, I'll be happy. I just wanted to make sure I was using the most optimal settings for 450.

Debating if its worth just relearning how to aim with 1800 DPI.
post #158 of 2468
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Wow, very nice post. +Rep to you good sir. I'll be playing around with the tape a bit. I don't think I'll be hitting the max tracking speed since I didn't really hit it with the IE 3.0. I play at 450 dpi, 6/11 windows, and 1.3-1.6 in CS:S at 1920x1200. I don't think I'm a super sweeper. I'll have to check how far it takes for a 360. I used the IE 3.0 while I was waiting on the hyperglides and I really missed the low LOD. If I can manage to lower the LOD without sacrificing tracking too much, I'll be happy. I just wanted to make sure I was using the most optimal settings for 450.
Debating if its worth just relearning how to aim with 1800 DPI.

=) Thank you.
Funnily enough I just recieved some hyperglides too. Took about a fortnight to arrive and came in an envelope from singapore lol (with no alcohol swab, I might add =/). I ordered them for different reasons though. I haven't noticed any dragging of the mouse underside and I reckon it's something that would be majorly noticable. I haven't put them on yet.
One thing I forgot to mention is that when I tried 450 dpi, I tried both with the drivers and without and ... it might just be me but .. it did seem to feel better without (driverless is generally the route I go anyway), so there's another avenue of testing for you XD
If, in the end, you decide there is no discernable difference, and you don't just play one game, then stick with 450 dpi. For the simple reason that there are quite a few games that use raw input where the in game sensitivity slider doesn't go low enough for 1800 dpi to be comfortable (which is why, once again I find my self on DA discussion threads). Also, there was one instance for me where 1800 dpi + low in game sens resulted in neg acceleration that was virtually eliminated when I dropped to 450 dpi. It was subsequently fixed but it was a pita at the time.
Um, I'd check how far it takes for a 180 not a 360, since that puts you exactly where you were looking in the first place and imho being able to do that doesn't have enough practical uses to justify raising your sensitivity to the point where you can achieve that in one swipe = )

Cheers again. Happy fragging.
post #159 of 2468
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Mister super swipe here .. claims acceleration problems at 450 dpi. I've not experienced this but haven't used it at 450 dpi extensively. I've also read that the mousing surface can sometimes cause this. Again, give it a whirl.
As I've said, during the periods of time where I've used the DA at 450 dpi, I haven't noticed any adverse acceleration BUT it always felt different and I could never get the speed right even with the correct dpi vs sens calculations. The OPs info that it's actually 520 dpi goes a long way to explaining this.
There are many many reviews with charts and graphs and many many forums with differing info. The majority of which will tell you what I've just told you. I can't think of anything else right now and this is the second typing of all this since my first attempt got completely wiped when I tried to submit = / grrr. I may have left something out but I hope what's here is of some use.
Cheers.

Mr shoober is both correct and misinformed. The lower steps of the DA likely have lower max tracking speeds, but he may be ignoring the engine limitations of goldsrc with specific testing.

There was a claim negative accel @ 1800 CPI + 3/11, but it sounds like a issue with the resolution and or FPS he is pulling. (Not entirely mouse limited at this point.) 1800 CPI is inherently 1800 CPI with all windows notches. Just multiplied x "0.25" (3/11) instead of "1" (6/11). Quite similar to how the lower steps of the DA are achieved on the controller level. (ignoring the max speed implications)
Edited by Skylit - 3/2/12 at 4:01pm
post #160 of 2468
been using DA:BE for about a month now, using it on 450DPI 6/11 at 19" 1440x900
replacing the stock feet with PerfectGlideHD on Talent, personally don't mind with the LOD.
before DA:BE, I've been using Xai for a year and a half, the truth is, i like 'em both, but the downside on DA:BE (at least for me) is, the scroll wheel is a tad too loose compare to Xai, and the cable is a bit to thin, that I'm afraid it'd break eventually, because i carry it with me and roll the cable, again, compare to Xai, and, don't have an on-board memory. Besides that, really doesn't feel a downgrade for me, who uses Xai, love the tracking, love the grip.

Why can't razer Synapse 2.0 support DA's? that'd be a huge things for DA's user since DA doesn't have on-board memory thingy. try to email but there's no reply mad.gif
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