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http://www.razerzone.com.br/products/gaming_mice/razer_deathadder_guildwars/

Anyone know if this is 3G V2 or V3? Got a respawn currently, but it has way too high lift distance.
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@Skylit
How do you lower the LOD without messing with the illumination with a the standard 1.0x lens?
What is the definition of "tracking quality" as referred to by the users here? Let's say between the DeathAdder and the Zowie mice. Do they mean deviation?
I know changing the lens and using a different LED is way easier than testing and programming accordingly.
At the end of the day wouldn't you have to compromise performance on particular mouse pads regardless?

-I rather not discuss that in public.
-I have my own personal views of "tracking quality" as in what I feel and see.
-It's a lot more complicated then switching a few parts of hardware or programming such and such accordingly, though I feel the easiest way to "fix" the so called "issue" is to promote special surfacing and colored pads that aid in lift off reduction. (Hint: Black cloth isn't helping) Of course, there are multiple ways to achieve such a goal on the hardware itself. I'm just not one to give out free ideas.

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http://www.razerzone.com.br/products/gaming_mice/razer_deathadder_guildwars/
Anyone know if this is 3G V2 or V3? Got a respawn currently, but it has way too high lift distance.

Original or what Hella refers to as "V2"
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@Skylit

Well it is know that certain textures, materials and colours effect the tracking either positively or negatively. The problem is most companies just make black pads and/or with their multi coloured logos.

So should a mouse be developed for the pads people use now or could you convince the mouse pad companies to remove their logos and change from the cheap black to something else?

Although black is the better performing colour overall for the Avago optical sensor.
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@Skylit
Well it is know that certain textures, materials and colours effect the tracking either positively or negatively. The problem is most companies just make black pads and/or with their multi coloured logos.
So should a mouse be developed for the pads people use now or could you convince the mouse pad companies to remove their logos and change from the cheap black to something else?
Although black is the better performing colour overall for the Avago optical sensor.

It's not that black is "cheap". It's because it goes nicely with everyone's everything.

My case is black, my monitor is black, my speakers are black, keyboard is black, mouse is black, g13 is black, foot pedals are black, subwoofer is black, headphones are black, router is black, cd rack is black, radiator is black. Stapler, tape dispenser, and flashlight which all live on my desk are black. My camera and it's tripod are black. My phone is black. All my cables are black.

You think I want an orange mouse pad? tongue.gif
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@Skylit
Well it is know that certain textures, materials and colours effect the tracking either positively or negatively. The problem is most companies just make black pads and/or with their multi coloured logos.
So should a mouse be developed for the pads people use now or could you convince the mouse pad companies to remove their logos and change from the cheap black to something else?
Although black is the better performing colour overall for the Avago optical sensor.

Depending on how much current the LED is outputting, lighter textures can be a non issue, though we may have a combination of higher lift off and inconsistency in some areas of a surface. Really situational. Rather than just black, a "solid surface color" is optimal within limits. Of course you're right to say black offers very accurate performance, just not really a necessity if you're focused on lowering lift detection.. I do think swapping out surfacing to compromise is a better idea than a majority of possible methods on the hardware itself.

I believe R&D for bigger companies aim for surface compatibility rahter than the absolute max speed or overall tracking. The DA3.5G for example tracks pretty well on my wood and plastic tables. Lift off detection is at a mere minimum. IPS speed isn't anything spectacular, but again, very situational as a table is not a optimal surface. I'm sure a good majority of DA owners don't even own mouse pads. What would happen if these mice didn't track "okayish" on a basic table? I could assume that there would be a whole bunch of unneeded RMAs.
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I have a question in regards to button response time that I'm hoping someone here might be able to answer:

I recently switched from a Logitech G9X to a Deathadder 3.5g. While the tracking improvement was immediate and noticable, something felt off about the overall response time. Eventually, I came to the rough conclusion (via testing) that the left click response time I was getting on the razer mouse was an average of 15-20ms slower than that of the G9X.

(Note: Testing was done doing mutliple run throughs here: http://aim400kg.ru/train/?a=pr )

This isn't really a subject that seems to come or is even something that people generally test, so finding feedback on this has been difficult. Is it a matter of varying quality microswitches? Mechanical encoder quality? A mouse button just not being broken in yet? Maybe just a bad mouse that wasn't properly QA tested?

Any help/advice would be appreciated.
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Depending on how much current the LED is outputting, lighter textures can be a non issue, though we may have a combination of higher lift off and inconsistency in some areas of a surface.

I'm sure a good majority of DA owners don't even own mouse pads. What would happen if these mice didn't track "okayish" on a basic table? I could assume that there would be a whole bunch of unneeded RMAs.

Black doesn't reflect light like white does. So why is LOD lower on white?

I have always used a mouse pad. Even when I didn't know how a mouse worked or even cared. I never met anyone who didn't -- that wasn't an old person.

So should BST have a mouse that follows the DeathAdder in that regard (tracking on table tops) over having it perform best on mouse pads the target consumer [gamers] use and will use? Why buy his product when you have the DeathAdder already if that was the case?

I would buy it regardless if it has the same performance as the DeathAdder (including high LOD), if it was in a shell that was nearly identical to the Intellimouse Optical, but with 2 side buttons instead of one. The Zowie AM isn't the same (too narrow) so I wouldn't buy it for the shape and the performance doesn't justify it over the DeathAdder's shape. I did order an EC2 EVO though (for the shape) to contrast the DeathAdder. Might exchange it for the EC1 if it is too small. My hand/wrist couldn't wait any longer for BST's mouse (as I am not beta testing).
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A few extra bits of info for my above post:

In fairness to the Deathadder, I just opened a mouse i never intended to use (won in a tournament), a Tt saphira mouse. I didn't do anywhere near the repetitions on it that I did for the G9X/deathadder, but the Saphira mouse seems to be identical to the deathadder (or within 5 ms or so anyways).

So right now I'm stuck trying to figure out why my G9X has a button response time that is substantially faster than any of the two above mice. Ugh.
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Originally Posted by ZProtoss View Post

Is it a matter of varying quality microswitches? Mechanical encoder quality? A mouse button just not being broken in yet? Maybe just a bad mouse that wasn't properly QA tested?
Any help/advice would be appreciated.

It could simply be that the shell is different. That could effect response both on actuation and deactivation. You could bend the internals of the switch or add a buffer to decrease the time and pressure to actuate. It is a leaf spring and a magnet so variation is unavoidable.

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