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9800 GT cards are cheap with 112 CUDA cores, overclock okay, and they just run well, much better than any 8000 series so far as I can tell. They crunch anything but MilkyWay so far.

Bought both EVGA 9800 GT Akimbo 512Meg OEM cards on sale for $49 each 7 months ago at Tiger Direct...

Still, it's easy to say "Flash this and that...", but when it gets right down to it, you can brick a card so easy it's probably not worth the risk... especially in my case where I have supposed identical Asus GTX460 SC Direct CU cards with each needing a different BIOS to work... because different GDDR chips... and zero docs on it...

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Hi biltong

I've been trying to get this to work. Everything sails along smoothly down to

sudo pacman -S lxde

and after that everything breaks down, or I screw up, I'm not sure which.

sudo pacman -S dbus
sudo /etc/rc.d/dbus start
cp /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml ~/.config/openbox/
cp /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml ~/.config/openbox/
ck-launch-session startlxde

the startlxde line comes up with an error - cannot stat /usr/share/lxde/pcmanfm/pcmanfm.conf No such file or directory

I found a partial cure at http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1829
which states - Re: Starting LXDE on Arch Linux
I hate to drag up this old thread, but archlinux still has not fixed the problem.
You have to make the directory and copy the file yourself.

mkdir -p /usr/share/lxde/pcmanfm
cp /etc/xdg/pcmanfm/default/pcmanfm.conf /usr/share/lxde/pcmanfm/pcmanfm.conf

This works in getting rid of the error message but still doesn't get lxde started; just goes back to the prompt.
I skipped ahead a bit and added exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch startlxde to .bashrc but this stopped me from logging in as a normal user. I can still log in as root but only can get a command prompt.

I'd also like to get lxdm working (autostart). I can get it to start from the command line but haven't been able to figure out how to get it to start and display for log in, other than to start it and log out.

The only things I knowingly did differently was to do the net install and use a static IP. The install program says everything worked properly at the point of the actual install so I don't think this should have made a difference.

If you or anyone else can tell me what I'm doing wrong, it would be appreciated.
Roy
post #13 of 30
Hi biltong

I'm not sure if I goofed or you missed something, but I followed the beginners guide and I have a working system. It has some rough edges but so far I like Arch.

Thanks for the post that convinced me to try it,
Roy
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Edited by Tex1954 - 12/12/11 at 8:00am
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I use Ubuntu for the GUI (and setup for Gnome3, not Unity) and have followed and screwed up more installs than I care to count. The internet is full of info on how to do this and that, but I learned Ubuntu doesn't always like this and that... Their system updates expect a certain configuration and certain files for some reason. One upgrade killed empathy, another destroyed the install... all because I did some things that worked at the time, then update comes along and kills the system.

I'm almost done with a stable method to install Ubuntu 11.10 64b on a system and will document it one of these days... But, I am waiting for them to fix the Realtek R8111e NIC problems, so update until it gets fixed....

Anyway, good luck with your system, hope it works well...

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PS: I think OCN is experiencing an EDIT post bug...
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I use Ubuntu for the GUI (and setup for Gnome3, not Unity) and have followed and screwed up more installs than I care to count. The internet is full of info on how to do this and that, but I learned Ubuntu doesn't always like this and that... Their system updates expect a certain configuration and certain files for some reason. One upgrade killed empathy, another destroyed the install... all because I did some things that worked at the time, then update comes along and kills the system.
I'm almost done with a stable method to install Ubuntu 11.10 64b on a system and will document it one of these days... But, I am waiting for them to fix the Realtek R8111e NIC problems, so update until it gets fixed....
Anyway, good luck with your system, hope it works well...
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PS: I think OCN is experiencing an EDIT post bug...

In Ubuntu I use 10.04 and never have problems. Just install from the repo's and go.
It's that Unity thing that got me looking for a distro that I can live with. So far Arch seems to be the best I've found, though I'm wondering if I know enough about Linux to use it effectively. Hopefully if I just keep plugging along I'll get the hang of it. I now have a somewhat working system but no GPU for BOINC. The rolling release seems to create problems for part time developers; seems to break things with its changes. I guess that's one of the things that requires more knowledgeable users. I think that maybe I'll have to dedicate a computer to Arch as a learning tool.

Roy
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Originally Posted by Roy Strachan View Post

In Ubuntu I use 10.04 and never have problems. Just install from the repo's and go.
It's that Unity thing that got me looking for a distro that I can live with. So far Arch seems to be the best I've found, though I'm wondering if I know enough about Linux to use it effectively. Hopefully if I just keep plugging along I'll get the hang of it. I now have a somewhat working system but no GPU for BOINC. The rolling release seems to create problems for part time developers; seems to break things with its changes. I guess that's one of the things that requires more knowledgeable users. I think that maybe I'll have to dedicate a computer to Arch as a learning tool.
Roy

I certainly had problems with 10.04... the video and Realtek drivers were worse...This is an ongoing problem Ubuntu is aware of... Turning off Unity is easy... no problem there...

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Arch > any distro. As far as WM's and DE's go use fluxbox is the best window manager and its been around forever.
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That may be so... never heard of FLuxBox, but will look it up. My problem is Multuple Monitor support with the older drivers. I do not currently have the expertise to compile and correct problems with Linux, nor do I wish to go down that path again. 10.04 didn't work either... but I used the standard stuff. Seems the only way to get upgrades is to also get a kernal upgrade. As I said, I am a user, not a developer.

This is the 21st century... we should have stable GUI interfaces and stop reinventing the wheel every year. If you look at where the major problems are, it's with hardware drivers. Everything else is secondary... hardware evolves much more quickly than anything else and drivers are always behind. The R8111e LAN drivers have been a problem with Ubuntu since 2009 and half the Mobo's out there use it. Sigh... reading the forums and such, it's a lost cause that may accidently get fixed at some point.

Windows is threatening to use the GPU for 3D graphics and that could kill GPU use for BOINC... so far, up to windows 7, we've been able to turn it off for the most part. But, for Linux on the boxes I have, the major problem is overclocking and LAN drivers... for instance no version of Linux runs properly with the Sabertooth 990X board in the 800D system. The workaround was to put a USB WiFI widget for LAN connectivity....

Sigh... there is no standard hardware platform... and no standard drivers. But, windows did it right using DLL's to circumvent many problems (while creating others) that Linux can't use. Sooo, lack of continuous driver support is an ongoing Linux problem. And because all the drivers are compiled against the current Kernal and the current kernal headers, any little glitch or imperfection can cause a problem that requires more intimate Linux knowledge to correct. Like I said, I don't want to be a developer for Linux.

Finally, and this is a BIG DEAL, I see tons of advice on how to do this and that, go use this, compile that... hell, I can barely copy/paste into the terminal window... and as mentioned before, soon as a new Kernal update comes along, everything you did may be broken thereafter. And on top of that, many who say do this and that haven't done it themselves nor can they provide keystroke walkthroughs... just puffing air into the wind helping nobody.

So, I can't just go use Arch and expect it to meet my needs, nor use FluxBox or anything else for that matter... because my desire is folks who already know what's going on to do a better job without having to learn the innards of Linux myself. I can't find 11.04 anymore, don't think it's available, but it was the first and only version that properly supported multiple monitors. So, you can see the problem... too many cooks and not enough standardization... it's a case of pick the poison you can tolerate.

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That may be so... never heard of FLuxBox, but will look it up. My problem is Multuple Monitor support with the older drivers. I do not currently have the expertise to compile and correct problems with Linux, nor do I wish to go down that path again. 10.04 didn't work either... but I used the standard stuff. Seems the only way to get upgrades is to also get a kernal upgrade. As I said, I am a user, not a developer.
This is the 21st century... we should have stable GUI interfaces and stop reinventing the wheel every year. If you look at where the major problems are, it's with hardware drivers. Everything else is secondary... hardware evolves much more quickly than anything else and drivers are always behind. The R8111e LAN drivers have been a problem with Ubuntu since 2009 and half the Mobo's out there use it. Sigh... reading the forums and such, it's a lost cause that may accidently get fixed at some point.
Windows is threatening to use the GPU for 3D graphics and that could kill GPU use for BOINC... so far, up to windows 7, we've been able to turn it off for the most part. But, for Linux on the boxes I have, the major problem is overclocking and LAN drivers... for instance no version of Linux runs properly with the Sabertooth 990X board in the 800D system. The workaround was to put a USB WiFI widget for LAN connectivity....
Sigh... there is no standard hardware platform... and no standard drivers. But, windows did it right using DLL's to circumvent many problems (while creating others) that Linux can't use. Sooo, lack of continuous driver support is an ongoing Linux problem. And because all the drivers are compiled against the current Kernal and the current kernal headers, any little glitch or imperfection can cause a problem that requires more intimate Linux knowledge to correct. Like I said, I don't want to be a developer for Linux.
Finally, and this is a BIG DEAL, I see tons of advice on how to do this and that, go use this, compile that... hell, I can barely copy/paste into the terminal window... and as mentioned before, soon as a new Kernal update comes along, everything you did may be broken thereafter. And on top of that, many who say do this and that haven't done it themselves nor can they provide keystroke walkthroughs... just puffing air into the wind helping nobody.
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I have never had a problem with lan drivers at all with linux and multiple monitors can be configured with any window manager/ desktop environment that uses the Xwindow system. It takes a little bit of reading and maybe you have to edit 1 or 2 config files. If you cant edit a text file you should RTFM before saying it cannot be possible or that it has problems. You dont need to be a developer to understand how things work and understand how to configure things properly. I mean no offense to you in this post just the way you are talking I get the impression that you are lazy and linux is not for lazy people.
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