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thumbs up bubba,
the stock air cooler take your cpu to 4ghz under turbo and it hit 61c cpu temp,dose that also mean what your saying there?
i mean why would they give you a cooler to keep the cpu temp under 61c?

Because they "don't officially support overclocking" so they're only going to ship a cooler that keeps you below "max temp" at stock settings. In fact I don't think there are many "stock" coolers that really work well with any CPU while overclocking (not sure about the coolers that come with SB CPU's). You can always pay them $100 more for the combo with the AMD version of the H80.
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iam still not sure Bubba,
under occt my cpu temp is at 63c which is to high,but my core temps read as 43c,should i ignore the cpu temp and go with the core temps?

sorry that was rude,but i just ran a test on lesser voltage and it affects the core temps directly,more voltage more core temp.

the cpu work load stayed the same at 4ghz and the cpu temp remained the same too.

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iam still not sure Bubba,
under occt my cpu temp is at 63c which is to high,but my core temps read as 43c,should i ignore the cpu temp and go with the core temps?
sorry that was rude,but i just ran a test on lesser voltage and it affects the core temps directly,more voltage more core temp.
the cpu work load stayed the same at 4ghz and the cpu temp remained the same too.
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The "CPU Temp" and "Core Temps" are going to rise simultaneously. It's not that "Core Temps" are 100% worthless it's that for our purposes, which is to determine if we are exceeding the manufactures "maximum operating temperature" limit (remember that it's a conservative limit but a limit nonetheless to keep us from damaging our CPU's). If you use the core temps which as even the author of the program "Core Temp" states it will be 15 - 17C degrees lower than "Tcase" (CPU Temp) and while you think you are good for example with a core temp of 65C since your max temp is 70C on your CPU, in reality you're actually at Tcase 80C +/- 1-2C and are well beyond the limit they've posted. That's the main problem of using core temps as a measurement. Ask yourself this one question, why would they list in the power and thermal guides a "Tcase Max" temp limit instead of a "Tcore Max" temp limit if they wanted you to go by the "core" temperatures?
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The "CPU Temp" and "Core Temps" are going to rise simultaneously. It's not that "Core Temps" are 100% worthless it's that for our purposes, which is to determine if we are exceeding the manufactures "maximum operating temperature" limit (remember that it's a conservative limit but a limit nonetheless to keep us from damaging our CPU's). If you use the core temps which as even the author of the program "Core Temp" states it will be 15 - 17C degrees lower than "Tcase" (CPU Temp) and while you think you are good for example with a core temp of 65C since your max temp is 70C on your CPU, in reality you're actually at Tcase 80C +/- 1-2C and are well beyond the limit they've posted. That's the main problem of using core temps as a measurement. Ask yourself this one question, why would they list in the power and thermal guides a "Tcase Max" temp limit instead of a "Tcore Max" temp limit if they wanted you to go by the "core" temperatures?

Curious however, that AMD's own overdrive focuses in on core temp readings, and not tcase in the cpu monitoring tab.
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Curious however, that AMD's own overdrive focuses in on core temp readings, and not tcase in the cpu monitoring tab.

That is interesting huh, but Asus AIsuite II does not even list a core temp, only a CPU temp....yes not AMD but this is what I went by before finding this thread, know after the recent discussion I am tempted to go back to the old settings, actually already have.
 
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That is interesting huh, but Asus AIsuite II does not even list a core temp, only a CPU temp....yes not AMD but this is what I went by before finding this thread, know after the recent discussion I am tempted to go back to the old settings, actually already have.

I prefer to follow the original information given in the guide, it has not failed me or led me to any diaster as of yet for any of my 4 amd cpu's.
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I prefer to follow the original information given in the guide, it has not failed me or led me to any diaster as of yet for any of my 4 amd cpu's.

Let me pose a few questions to you. Why would AMD list in the power and thermal guide "Tcase Max" instead of "Tcore Max" if they wanted you to use "core temps" as a gauge of whether or not you've reached the "maximum operating temperature"? If "Core Temps" were to intended to be the "gauge" if the CPU is reaching that max temp then how would it account for OC'ing the CPU/NB or IGP if the CPU has one?
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Let me pose a few questions to you. Why would AMD list in the power and thermal guide "Tcase Max" instead of "Tcore Max" if they wanted you to use "core temps" as a gauge of whether or not you've reached the "maximum operating temperature"? If "Core Temps" were to intended to be the "gauge" if the CPU is reaching that max temp then how would it account for OC'ing the CPU/NB or IGP if the CPU has one?

I wouldn't know how it would, or may account for such things as oc of cpu/nb, and the igp (concerns apu's only) All i'm pointing out is that amd's own software points you to look at this (core temps) and not this (tcase) It is curious, no? To be clear yes, overdrive does list tcase, but not in the cpu monitoring tab, it's actually hard to find if your not looking for it.

Why would they use that for their own OVERCLOCKING software if it wasn't worth a flying .... for overclocking temperatures?
Why would Alucardvpr say "AMD recommends the Core Temp program and AMD Overdrive for this reason.
The core section of HWMonitor also reads this value, but be careful as it also shows CPU Temp" in his guide if it was not true?


I'd also like to point out he very kindly listed sources for this information, you have not listed as of yet any for yours. So why should i be inclined to believe what your saying, over what he posted?
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hello again,
Cannon,Bubba has an e-mail stating just that,also in my case as i pointed out, if you use a lesser voltage your core temps reduce a lot,my core temp runs 20c lower than the cpu temp.i would not follow the core temps,especially on a lower voltage quest.
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I was using Core Temp for awhile till summer hit and I finally experienced my own throttling. As it turns out, the throttling occurs when the socket temp in HWMonitor hits 62 even though each of the core temps were still in the upper 50's.

So now I've switched to HWMonitor as my main guide. I've still gotta re-do my rainmeter though. frown.gif
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