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Any reason you want 2x4GB instead of 4x2GB? PSC ICs are the best bang for buck, and can do 1866Mhz 7-9-7 with 1.6V or less (I have a few kits that can do anywhere from 1850-1950 with those timings and 1.6V). They are also easy to find. The Gskill Ripjaws X line, the 2x2GB 1600 6-8-6 blue/black kit is them, as is the red/black 2133 9-11-9 kit. The 1600 7-8-7 1.5v blue/black kit can also be them, but not guaranteed.

All three of those kits are ~$50 as well for 4GB. I was actually able to bench my 2133 9-11-9 kit at 1950Mhz 6-8-6-20 with 1.7V on X58.
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Having 2 sticks compared to 4 will help you Overclock to a higher point for CPU. And, anything above 1866mhz isn't worth in my opinion. You won't see any performance boost or anything.

Get a 750w PSU, if it is to CX or SLI. It's not much more than a 650w. XFX/Corsair/Antec/Seasonic.
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Go for a 750W PSU like others sayed on here if you want to Xfire and OC.

Since your in Holland i would go with corsair vengeance ram 8GB 1600mhz, they go for as low as 45,- euro

Try get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB drive, they go for just 46,- euro and are one of the fastest plain drive's
Go for the cheapest LG, Samsung or Sony Optiarc Dvd burner, they go for as low as 16,- euro

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Having 2 sticks compared to 4 will help you Overclock to a higher point for CPU. And, anything above 1866mhz isn't worth in my opinion. You won't see any performance boost or anything.
Used to be true, doesnt matter as much if at all anymore. Most motherboards now are built well enough to handle the extra load. Ive ran a 1075T at ~4.2 daily with 2x2 and 4x2 ram at 1900+ 7-9-7. Didnt have to change anything when I added the other 4GB. Also had an i7-870 and had no difference going from 2x2 to 4x2 running 1900 8-8-8.

4GB modules dont OC as well as 2GB modules, nor can they do as tight of timings at ceratin speeds.

Also, there is no noticable performance gain from DDR2 speeds to DDR3 speeds in daily usage. Only time you notice a difference is benching, so technically he could run 1333 9-9-9 and not tell a difference. We just have fast ram because we can


Also, OP, everytime I have tried going with 8GB, I went back to 4 just because Ive never went over 3.2GB of ram usage.
Edited by CTM Audi - 10/2/11 at 5:45pm
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Mouse: Razer: Lachesis, Deathadder, Imperator. They are all around 60 euros. Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow, Corsair K60. They are a little bit expensive :/. Have you concidered a headset instead of speakers? If so i would recommend: Steelseries Siberia v2, Razer Carcharias. 80 euros?
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okay thanks all,

as said above, i dont want to get 4*2 gb, you can overclock less. besides, i then have less upgradeability because then all my slots are full and i have seen several 2*4 kits for just 10 euros more than a 2*2 kit. some are just 45 euros.

Either way, as long as its a brand kit i cant go wrong right? and what kind of performance gain could i get from faster ram/ tighter timings? faster booting/loading? or would i see some fps increase? I don't know.

As for the mouse, the roccat kone + seemed like a good idea, but its a bit pricey and i'm cheap (like most other dutch people)

As for the monitor, are there any specific things to watch out for? like latency? no more than 5ms? and of course no less than 1080p

what about the dvd drive? i have a playstation so i dont really care about blu ray, and its expensive as hell. whats the standard speeds these days? 24x dvd and like 80x> cd?

as with the hdd: i cant go wrong as long as i get a samsung or WD gamer/black series right? i heard there are new ones, but i guess theyre more expensive and, as said before, i'm cheap.

And on that bombshell, I'll leave it over to you guys
post #17 of 33
The amount of ram you have works like a pool of water. The more you have, the more you can do at once, or the more people that can fit in it. Once you get to a point though, you are basicaly making the pool in to a lake that all the people in the town wouldnt fill.

The more ram you have, the more stress on the IMC of the CPU (or NB if its a older platform that doesnt have the IMC integrated in the CPU). At that point you have to trade off ram speed and timings to have more ram. You want to find a nice balance. I and most people dont even come close to using 4GB at one time. If you do cad or video editing or whatever it is, then some of those programs would need more then 4GB, but thats really it. Most I have ever seen is 3.2GB. I can understand going with 8GB just so its there in that "just in case in the future" thing.

Now, your board and CPU arent going to care if it comes in 2x4 or 4x2 anymore. Back when motherboards had a crappy cheap power supply going to the ram, it mattered. Today, it doesnt. most boards (decent and good ones anyway) are outfited with a much more powerfull supply going to the ram. 8GB is 8GB. You can either have 2x4GB sticks which will not run too great of a speed/timing ratio, or you can have 4x2GB which will (main difference here is the ICs used are different). Neither way will effect the CPU speed for a daily OC. If you were going for an LN2 run to get the best CPU-Z screen shot, then you would only want one stick in there, but for daily you will not see any difference.


As for the performance difference, it really doesnt matter. You really would not be able to sit at two computers, one running 1333 9-9-9 in single channle and the other running 2000 7-7-7 in dual channle, and be able to tell which one is which unless you ran a benchmark like Super Pi. But the same can be said about one having 4GB and the other 8GB or even 16GB. IMO, the best thing to do would be get a single 2x2GB set of PSCs, clock them decently, and monitor your ram usage. If you mange to come close to using 4GB or so, then order another kit.


For the monitor, go with IPS if you either A, want good viewing angles, B, something that makes a better screen for viewing text or general use, C, has more accurate colors, or D, want the option to use it in portrait. Go with a TN if you just want the smoothest gaming possible and dont really care about the rest. Go with PVA if you want something that is in the middle of the two.

Or, what I did, was get a nice IPS panel in portrait for web viewing, then a second monitor for gaming and having monitor programs on when Im not gaming (just move them to the IPS when gaming).

One thing I really recomend is trying to get a 1920x1200 instead of 1920x1080. The extra 120 pixels realy help imo.


You could also go with a 3D monitor, not just for 3D, but for 120HZ gaming. You will still be limited to what your vid card can run, but you wouldnt have the 60FPS cap anymore.


For the DVD drive, any 24X SATA drive will basically be about the same, just get whichever is cheaper. Ive used Lite-On, LG, Samsung, and ASUS, not much difference with any of them.


For the HDD, if you want access speed, get a WD black drive. If you plan to do a lot of transfers, and want a lot of space, I like the Samsung F4 2Tb drives. When transfering a ton of data on them I get a constant ~140MB/s transfer rate.
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hmkay thanks

so there isnt any real difference between memory, but i'd still like to know what exactly will be faster with faster ram. opening programs? loading games?

i'll go with 2*4 gb dimms, simply because theire cheaper.

as for the monitor, i have yet to find a 120hz display for under 250 euros

so basically, any 24x drive is fine?

I think i'll go with the WD caviar black, but wich one? i heard there was a new one released not very long ago?
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I like the WD6402AAEX, I have two in RAID0 and they are very nice.
Really any WD black will be fine, and difference minimal.

As for the ram, it depends on how memory intensive the app is. You might gain an extra frame or two in certain games with faster memory, or might get something to load .1 seconds faster or something.
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I like the WD6402AAEX, I have two in RAID0 and they are very nice.
Really any WD black will be fine, and difference minimal.

As for the ram, it depends on how memory intensive the app is. You might gain an extra frame or two in certain games with faster memory, or might get something to load .1 seconds faster or something.
ah okay then, ill get some wd caviar black 1tb whichever is cheapest, or 2 and raid0 them for more fastah powah!

as for the memory, i think ill just get some 2*4 gb corsair vengeance or so for just 45 euros
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