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Hey guys, brand spanking new here so sorry if this is in the wrong section. Im planning a build (First complete build) and I have a few questions. As the title says the CPU im looking at is the AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition. Having not built anything or done any research in the past 5 years (Im in desperate need of an upgrade) Im having some trouble figuring out whats compatible with what. So if you guys could take a quick look at the pieces Ive picked out and tell me if anything needs/should be changed I'd really appreciate it.

Here's the rest of my build:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb 3.5GHz

Motherboard: MSI 990XA-GD55 AM3+/AM3 AMD 990X

Graphics card: SAPPHIRE 100311-2SR Radeon HD 6970

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

PSU: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31


And just for fun, the other odds and ends ill be getting. Again, if you guys have any recommendations that'd be awesome.

SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Combo SATA Model SH-B123L/RSBP

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA

LIAN LI PC-A71F USB3.0 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower

Silverstone FP35B USB 2.0 Card Reader

Microsoft Arc Touch Mouse

Acer S243HLbmii Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor

CORSAIR H60 (In push-pull config.)
post #2 of 10
Go with an i5 2500K built instead of the Phenom II. You will get much better performance.

I would get the build you have picked out but with these instead.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131759
and an i5 2500k
I would also go with something other then the h60, I would get like the H70 or H80.
They will perform much better.
post #3 of 10
If you are into AMD, just pick up a 955 and overclock it with any decent aftermarket cooler.

Other i5 2500k. And your build is fine.

And, if you want to wait for Bulldozer (I hope it comes out in two weeks max) well you can get a 8 cores processor for around 245$.
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There is nothing really wrong with what you have picked out. A Sandybridge based build would offer more performance for not much more money, but that depends on the deal you are looking at. If you have a MicroCenter near by and getting the $50 combo discount, then there is nothing wrong with the bang for buck of a PHII build. Plus you would be able to upgrade to BD.

Unless you are getting that MSI board for a specific reason, I would look at the Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 board, its an incredible OCing board for the price, and is a 990FX board in 990X price range. Also the all black theme looks great imo.

As said above, the 955 will do just as well as the 970 for less money, unless you are really wanting to push the OC. The newer PHIIs do seem to clock a little better. The 955 would likely top about 4Ghz even daily, where as the 970 might do 4.2 daily.


Nothing wrong with the H60 either. Its not that far off the H70/H80, and is extremely quite. I had an H50, and now have the H60. It dropped about 6C off the load temps of a 2500K at 4.4, and cut the noise greatly.
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Would I really gain that much more performance with an i5? As far as I can tell they're pretty even. And the pricing of the 970 is just so attractive. I'm not getting the MSI for any reason what-so-ever. It just looked like it would be great for what I needed. I really didn't put much effort into my Mobo search though after I realized I wasn't sure what I wanted As superficial as this sounds, the gigabyte does look great, and everything else I have is black or mostly black and will look great in my monolith lian-li Another thought I just had, and this is me just being dumb... The case has two front usb 3.0 ports, does that mean my Mobo needs to have at least two internal usb I/O ports to make use of those?
post #6 of 10
The i5 is significantly faster clock for clock and puts out less heat, uses less electricity, and overclocks higher.

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post #7 of 10
In games, the difference between an OCed PHii and OCed SNB wont be noticeable at a high enough res. But for other things and daily usage, the SNB is faster.

Though the AMD is perfectly fine, cheaper, and has an upgrade path.


For the USB3 thing, one header should be enough for the two ports if its the same as USB2, havent had a case with USB3 yet (will this week though).
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Would I really gain that much more performance with an i5? As far as I can tell they're pretty even.
The Phenom II series is 2 CPU generations behind sandy bridge, lining up closer to the core2 series performance wise. Clock for clock and core for core, the i3-21XX/i5-2X00 CPUs are 40% faster than Phenom II. i5-2500K have a track record of achieving higher stable OCs also (usually over 4.5GHZ).

That said, the price drops on the AMD lineup after sandy bridge release have kept the value in check at various price points pretty well. The per core performance of the intel side will generally make a better gaming machine, however, for pro app and multi-threaded productivity stuff, AMD rigs still compete on value quite well.

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post #9 of 10
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Thanks for all the quick responses guys, I really appreciate it. This community seems awesome so far, I can see myself hanging around here through my build and beyond

I think I may stick with the PHII just for its price, although its great to have more info about the i5 and you guys might just sway me to intel. If I do go with the i5, which mobo do you all recommend?

Heres two I found that look pretty good:

GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3
GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD3P

And the one that thrasherht mentioned earlier:

ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z
post #10 of 10
Any of the Gigabyte/MSI/ASUS boards would be fine, just go with the cheapest that has the opitons you want.

If you arent in a rush, Bulldozer will be out in 9 days, even if you dont have the money for one now (the 6 core for ~$180 seems like a great deal to me if it performs well), you could at least see how they compare if you want to upgrade later on.

Chances are, the 2x00Ks are going to be the best 1155 will have to offer. 990FX will support BD, and likely at least one revision after as well.
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