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Look at dell U2312HM, dell has on sale for 260 today only. 8 ms response time. .6 ms input lag
    
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Originally Posted by The Mad Mule;15152231 
I've been using a U3011 for a couple months now, and have absolutely no complaints about it. In my opinion, input lag is exaggerated. And don't trust pictures trying to depict input lag, like here. What little blurriness happens during gaming, I take it as "natural" blurriness. Like if you're looking around quickly in real life, your vision blurs. I hate that "Motion Blur" games put into their games these days, as well as when they force you to focus the way the main character sees it. We can do that stuff naturally with our own eyes, thank you very much.

This post is confused.

No picture captured with a camera can really show what input lag is about, and input lag is NOT the same as ghosting, which causes blurrying. You seem to get the two mixed up.

And what is this about natural blurrying? No... That's a horrible metaphor. First off, that blurring of the vision mostly happens when you move your eyes around, which doesn't happen as often in gaming, instead you are looking at a single point a lot of the time. Secondly, if your eyes naturally blur, why let the monitor add any to it? Third, due to the nature of how the monitors work, the blurrying will not look "natural", as natural blurring of vision would. It will be ghosting, the bad kind of motion blur. It's as far as natural motion blur as I can see.

Also, don't try to discredit a certain con in a product you own just because it doesn't affect you. The u3011 for example, a great monitor, but it's miles and miles away from perfection (like any monitor out there, nothing is perfect). It has its downsides. Just because those downsides don't affect you particularly doesn't mean that they won't affect anyone else.




At the original poster. It's something a bit more complex than that. What FPS games do you play? What other content do you consume on your PC? Are you bothered by ghosting? (Input lag won't be an issue with any of the mentioned monitors in your post, they all have very low input lag unlike some other models) Do you really want to pay the extra money for the extra bit of color fidelity and the potential for higher color accuracy?
These are, all, very important questions one should answer before going ahead and buying a monitor. Especially when IPS is in question, for a gamer.


In the end, the input lag on any of the three mentioned models in your post isn't any issue, ghosting will only be slightly worse than most TN panels, but if you play a lot of FPS games, a 120hz monitor would also be something to consider. That is not a suggestion that way, just something I'm throwing out as an option as well for you to consider. If you decide to the IPS route, the three mentioned models should all do completely fine for it. The u2412m and ZR24W are also quite similar in terms of performance, but haven't yet read on the new HP model.
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post #13 of 19
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True that there's more to it, but I guess I was being general for the sake of "conversation". Before I make forum posts I try to at least do a good amount of research on my own, but there is something to be said for hearing from current owners. This seems (to me at least) to be especially true of monitors, as most enthusiast review sites show the synthetic response time tests for IPS monitors and it's enough to scare any gamer away entirely. I play a number of FPS games, from Doom (to this day) to the upcoming BF3, but I will assert that I am not hypercompetitive and view these games as fun. Rather a more talkative match amongst the players than silent aggression. And I don't plan on ever taking my fun into some professional realm. Between that and the dislike of multi-monitor setups and 3D, I didn't see much point in a 120Hz. Though your point still stands for TN panels in general. I kind of touched on this earlier in the thread. As for being bothered by "ghosting", it's a hard guess as I haven't ever experienced it. All the other screens here are adequate enough TN's or older CRT televisions. The money isn't a huge concern, thankfully. I've been saving quite a while for this rig.

The HP ZR2440W is only about a week old, so there's really nothing out there on it. From the sound of the specs though there's nothing missing there that the ZR24W had. I heard elsewhere there was a possibility that the picture quality was a bit closer to the Dell 2412M (under the assumption that the 2412M sacrifices a little bit of speed for a little bit better picture quality, mostly black levels), while retaining the other niceties (i.e. speed) of the ZR24W. That's a lot of conjecture though that I'm just parroting, so take it with some very light salt.
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I owned a U3011 for 3 weeks. I LOVED it. Fantastic picture, amazing angles, it did has a slow response time of 7ms, but the thing is, the way it ghosted was very smooth and unnoticable. my 3ms TN panel was "faster" but ghoster in a way. The new IPS panels handle ghosting very well I'd say.

I returned it because of input lag. Those who say it's overblown, you simply must not be able to notice it. Some people do. i could feel it when even browsing the web and moving my mouse. I hooked up my original monitor in clone mode and I could feel my older monitor reacting faster.

So my advice is probably find how you play games, do you try to react quickly and sort of twitch around on your mouse to control the pointer/game, or are you more smooth controlled.

If you're fast reacting look at HP's ZR24w, ZR27w, ZR30w as they are known to have much shorter input lag and are fantastic for gaming. I'm going to be buying their ZR30w soon and I will be able to give my decision.
post #15 of 19
You play FPS games, you play for fun. I still would suggest a 120Hz Monitor, but I must admit: I've never seen one nor seen an IPS in person.

I can tell you.. I played counter-strike competitively. A lot of things mattered... mouse, mousepad, keyboard, and a monitor. IMHO, even if you weren't playing competitively, you should consider having an edge over your opponent (120Hz vs 60/75/etc, and keep in mind there are a lot of variables & determinants to this - eye sight, computer producing the constant FPS at a certain level for your eyes to see the image produced at 120Hz). So what's more important, color or accuracy? That's what I'm asking myself for my next setup... (3D is out of the question, because I have a slight astigmatism - and doubt I would enjoy it) a multi-monitor setup, IPS, or 120HZ... or wait for an IPS-120Hz monitor(I can dream, can't I?).

Keep in mind, if you do go the 120Hz route... you would need 120 frames, constant, to fully take advantage of your monitor.

Just a reminder: I'm no professional or know-it-all.. this is all my opinion from playing competitively in a first-person-shooter with information I've researched (to an extent).
Edited by xquisit - 10/7/11 at 10:41pm
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I appreciate that, xquisit. But as you said that I'll need the oomph to really drive that monitor to it's full potential (not that anything else over 60Hz is bad), and I don't plan on continually upgrading my machine each year as new titles come out just for that. And hey, I share in the 120Hz IPS dream with you. smile.gif
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I'm just throwing out the possibilities of enjoying your FPS games to the full capacity.

The 120Hz option is not only best IMHO for FPS gaming, but it's the most expensive route (not that IPS panels are cheap, they are typically more expensive than TN-panels).
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I wouldn't trade 3d vision and a smoother experience due to a higher refresh rate for slightly better color accuracy.

Its a monitor, you are always going to be looking at it dead on where you won't see the color shift on a good TN. Its not like you're buying the thing for photo editing where you need 100% color accuracy.
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Before anything else, PLEASE learn this:

response time =/= input lag

for fps gaming; 120hz tn > ips

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