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Originally Posted by redsox83381;15208564 
So SATAIII would show no noticeable difference with my c300 128?

1. It would show no noticeable difference on SATA III PCI card.
2. It would show no noticeable even on native Intel SATA III card because SSD are already so fast and SATA III only gives you a slight boost in sequential speeds, which are not important for OS opeartions. Sequential speeds are only good for transferring large files like videos, music etc.
3. Random (4k) speeds are the same on both SATA II and SATA III controllers with the same SSD.
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Originally Posted by redsox83381;15208564 
So SATAIII would show no noticeable difference with my c300 128?

That isn't true. I just swapped that exact drive from one of my laptops (SATA II) to my wife's desktop (SATA 3) and noticed a substantial difference in the 'feel' of the environment.
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Originally Posted by Computurd;15155214 
sorry its the 620

The 620 uses the same Marvell controler that is frequently used to tack SATA 3 support on to motherboards.
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Originally Posted by Computurd;15177629 
The point of cards is that you are using the pcie which has better latency than onboard solutions.

On-board SATA III that is not part of the chipset is on the PCI-E bus, and the PCI-E bus likely has higher latency than chipset integrated SATA controllers.
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nd the PCI-E bus likely has higher latency than chipset integrated SATA controllers.

unfortunately that may be a bit misinformed. You can get latencys down to .04 with PCIe raid cards. Fusion I/O is even lower. Revo as well has uber latency.
All over the pcie bus.
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The 620 uses the same Marvell controler that is frequently used to tack SATA 3 support on to motherboards.

correct. however, it isnt hamstrung by poor implementation and 'spare' DMI lanes for its bandwidth. The problem with the onboards is that it is strangled. (DMI=slow)


that is THE attraction of pcie bus in the first place, and a major reason why this will be on next gen boards, the first version of PCIe express SATA. yes you read that right.
PCIe SATA is the next sata spec smile.gif The reason they are doing this is directly tied to the indisputable fact that you get uber latency over PCIe smile.gif

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Originally Posted by XSCounter;15210220 
1. It would show no noticeable difference on SATA III PCI card.
2. It would show no noticeable even on native Intel SATA III card because SSD are already so fast and SATA III only gives you a slight boost in sequential speeds, which are not important for OS opeartions. Sequential speeds are only good for transferring large files like videos, music etc.
3. Random (4k) speeds are the same on both SATA II and SATA III controllers with the same SSD.
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Originally Posted by tr8rjohnk;15221848 
That isn't true. I just swapped that exact drive from one of my laptops (SATA II) to my wife's desktop (SATA 3) and noticed a substantial difference in the 'feel' of the environment.
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unfortunately that may be a bit misinformed. You can get latencys down to .04 with PCIe raid cards. Fusion I/O is even lower. Revo as well has uber latency.
All over the pcie bus.



correct. however, it isnt hamstrung by poor implementation and 'spare' DMI lanes for its bandwidth. The problem with the onboards is that it is strangled. (DMI=slow)


that is THE attraction of pcie bus in the first place, and a major reason why this will be on next gen boards, the first version of PCIe express SATA. yes you read that right.
PCIe SATA is the next sata spec smile.gif The reason they are doing this is directly tied to the indisputable fact that you get uber latency over PCIe smile.gif

sata32.png

So who is right? Would I see a noticeable difference or not?
    
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Before I got my current MOBO, I ran my C300 off an Asus U3S6 pci-e card for about 9 months. For me at least, outside of benchmarks, I couldn't tell the difference between running the drive off the card or an onboard SATA II port.
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You likely won't see a noticeable difference, but you probably wouldn't see a noticeable difference between the C128 and a drive of half the cost either.
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Originally Posted by Computurd;15231304 
correct. however, it isnt hamstrung by poor implementation and 'spare' DMI lanes for its bandwidth. The problem with the onboards is that it is strangled. (DMI=slow)

DMI is considerably faster than a single PCI-E 2.0 lane, since it's four PCI-E lanes.

Also, the SATA II ports on the Intel PCH has been shown to outperform the ones on the Highpoint 620.

There is no PCI-E 2.0 1x controller card that is going to match or beat the integrated Intel SATA III ports.
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Also, the SATA II ports on the Intel PCH has been shown to outperform the ones on the Highpoint 620.

The Op does not have a PCH motherboard. he has a C2D.
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There is no PCI-E 2.0 1x controller card that is going to match or beat the integrated Intel SATA III ports.

this is irrelevant. Op does not have integrated sata III.
(and x1 no, there isnt one that will beat that particular config(sataIII). There are plenty @ x8 that will roast it though:p)
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DMI is considerably faster than a single PCI-E 2.0 lane, since it's four PCI-E lanes.

how many lanes of those four are they assigning? and how many of those are used for other 'goodies' like USB 3.0? They are not using all 4 smile.gif
Edited by Computurd - 10/9/11 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by Computurd;15241536 
The Op does not have a PCH motherboard. he has a C2D.



this is irrelevant. Op does not have integrated sata III.
(and x1 no, there isnt one that will beat that particular config(sataIII). There are plenty @ x8 that will roast it though:p)



how many lanes of those four are they assigning? and how many of those are used for other 'goodies' like USB 3.0? They are not using all 4 smile.gif

C2D is my old laptop. I have an AM3 chipset.

Well I guess I'll just let it go. My boot times feel so slow :\
    
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If you're not looking at RAID, the following would be an excellent, inexpensive solution:

Apricorn Velocity Solo

On their website it says that you can attach another drive to it, in addition to the SSD, and it will improve performance but does not state exactly how this is achieved. Does it use the SSD as a cache for the other drive?

In the FAQ section is says:
"Am I required to attach my original disk to the expansion port on the back of the Solo?

No. The expansion port on the back of the Solo is a SATA 3 connection that may provide additional performance to any disk attached to it, but you are not required to use it. Your original disk can remain attached directly to your motherboard or if unneeded can be removed completely."
http://www.apricorn.com/products/desktop-ssd-hdd-upgrade-kits/velocity-solo.html

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