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When console fanboys say " id rather spend $300 for a console than $2000 for a computer!"

i respond with... hmm, what about your $1000 tv. and $50 hdmi cable?
I think a better response would be, lets assume most people who play console games also own a desktop PC of some sort. Maybe it's a $700 core i3 machine bought from Best Buy. Instead of spending $200-300 on a console, just spend that on a good graphics card and upgrade the desktop that they probably already have.
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post #102 of 128
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Originally Posted by Arinoth View Post
Most if not all modern console games aren't actually true 1080p. They are typically 480p, with the odd ones at 720p, however not a single one is true 1080p, they are up converted from the two lower resolutions mentioned, with the difference not noticeable unless you had a pc playing the game at 1080p and the console side by side.
You're right the closest that comes to true 1080p is Gran Turismo 5 at 1440x1080.

EDIT: That I know of. Up until Lifeshield named a few.
Edited by andrews2547 - 10/7/11 at 2:00pm
    
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Rendered at 2880x1620 with Ultra Settings + Uber Sampling and downsampled to 1920x1080. Show me a console that can offer that level of graphical fidelity.


Edited by decyx - 10/7/11 at 8:27am
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dont count the cost of an os ever. there are ways around that.
Sorry are you trying to say piracy is ok here?

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it may cost more because your currency is worth nothing. you try to unify one currency for several countries. this cannot be. world order cannot be. europe is in turmoil. riots, huge downfall, market collapse. expect things to get more expensive.
Try and stick more to the topic, ja?

But with this in mind no currency rules with an iron fist. So people stating specific things only cost so much is stupidity within itself because this is an international forum with international consumers. What's cheap for one person is more expensive for another.

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Minus the monitor, you'd be hard pressed to come up with a competent system for $300 using mail order parts. Even if you go with a $50 case, $50 PSU, $50 CPU, $50 GPU, $50 RAM and a $50 motherboard, you wouldn't have money for a hard disk, Optical drive, OS or peripherals.

And those prices are likely well below what you would actually need to spend without buying used parts, not to mention tax and shipping. I'm not sure what you'd need to do to make the system par, but even on new budget parts, $300 is pushing it.
I built a PC, brand new, with the object to be really good quality parts for as cheap as possible, minus the OS (I used my own seems it was for my wife) and graphics card it cost me £330. That's for a PC that runs twice as good as any PC Curry's or PC World has on sale at a comparable price.

So with a good DX11 graphics card (because the future is also as important as being able to play games if we want to keep up) and OS in mind I'd probably be looking another £150-£200 minimum. It would probably run games, but no where near on the scale that games like Battlefield 3 push out at a quality that's better than a Xbox 360 or a PS3.

That took alot of time and research for me to do aswell. Then I had to build it, test it, etc.

Do people really think that someone who just wants to pick up a controller and play a game really wants to go through all that just to play a game? If you're going to use a PC for gaming you need to future proof it and make it worth it or you'll be forever upgrading, which is what puts people off gaming on PC. They just can't be dealing with that kind of hassle just to play a game.

Graphics aren't the defining factor or games for everyone. Consoles are at a point where graphics look good enough even if they aren't high by our standards. If graphics were that important then games like Minecraft wouldn't be so popular.

Me? I'll play on whatever, I own a console and a PC. Graphics aren't important, a damned good game that's going to keep my attention is.

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You're right the closest that comes to true 1080p is Gran Turismo 5 at 1440x1080.
He's wrong, and so are you, sorry.

Gran Turismo 5: Prologue = 1080p mode is 1280x1080 (2xAA) in-game while the garage/pit/showrooms are 1920x1080 with no AA. 720p mode is 1280x720 (4xAA)

Gran Turismo 5 = 1280x720 (4xAA), 1280x1080 (QAA, TAA selectable), 1280x720 (QAA) in 3D mode

Known 1920x1080 resolution games on consoles are:

Blast Factor, Calling All Cars, Elefunk, Fat Princess, Go Puzzle, High Velocity Bowling, Locoroco Cocoreccho, Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden, Rocketmen, Sudoku, Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection, Wipeout HD, Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3, Boogie Bunnies, FIFA Street 3, Virtua Tennis 3, Sacred 2.

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Originally Posted by Ecchi-BANZAII!!! View Post
Yes and Nope.
Insert X controller in PC
???
PROFIT
insert X controller in XBX
???
DERP
You'll find you profit more from using a controller on a console than on a PC. Even playing field plus controller optimisation.

That's coming from someone who uses a controller competently on PC. Most PC games have horrible controller optimisation and I'm not even talking aim assists, just implementing the damned things properly in the first place.
Edited by Lifeshield - 10/7/11 at 11:26am
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Graphics aren't the defining factor or games for everyone. Consoles are at a point where graphics look good enough even if they aren't high by our standards. If graphics were that important then games like Minecraft wouldn't be so popular.
Exactly that some people want graphics over game play.


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He's wrong, and so are you, sorry.

Gran Turismo 5: Prologue = 1080p mode is 1280x1080 (2xAA) in-game while the garage/pit/showrooms are 1920x1080 with no AA. 720p mode is 1280x720 (4xAA)

Gran Turismo 5 = 1280x720 (4xAA), 1280x1080 (QAA, TAA selectable), 1280x720 (QAA) in 3D mode

Known 1920x1080 resolution games on consoles are:

Blast Factor, Calling All Cars, Elefunk, Fat Princess, Go Puzzle, High Velocity Bowling, Locoroco Cocoreccho, Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden, Rocketmen, Sudoku, Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection, Wipeout HD, Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3, Boogie Bunnies, FIFA Street 3, Virtua Tennis 3, Sacred 2.
Someone told me GT5 was at 1440x1080 with 2xAA in game play (They provided a link but I can't find it now) and I knew that the menus and photo mode and other non-driving bits were in 1920x1080. I also should have said the only game that I know of.
    
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Exactly that some people want graphics over game play.




Someone told me GT5 was at 1440x1080 with 2xAA in game play (They provided a link but I can't find it now) and I knew that the menus and photo mode and other non-driving bits were in 1920x1080. I also should have said the only game that I know of.
Hmm heard it was only 2xAA when you ran in 720p.
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Minus the monitor, you'd be hard pressed to come up with a competent system for $300 using mail order parts. Even if you go with a $50 case, $50 PSU, $50 CPU, $50 GPU, $50 RAM and a $50 motherboard, you wouldn't have money for a hard disk, Optical drive, OS or peripherals.

And those prices are likely well below what you would actually need to spend without buying used parts, not to mention tax and shipping. I'm not sure what you'd need to do to make the system par, but even on new budget parts, $300 is pushing it.
Built two years ago;

$40 for my nzxt beta evo, $50 for ocz 850 watt psu, $99 for m3n-ht deluxe 50% 0ff, $99 PII720x3, $49 640gb WDCG $30 3gb of gskil DDR2 $150 for two 9800GTX+s. $25 for various fans and what have you, $550.

mouse speakers and monitor from previous setup.

you could build my system now for $300-$400. there is one game i can not max out. GTA IV.
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Someone told me GT5 was at 1440x1080 with 2xAA in game play (They provided a link but I can't find it now) and I knew that the menus and photo mode and other non-driving bits were in 1920x1080. I also should have said the only game that I know of.
Evidence is over at Beyond3D. It's easily findable by doing a Google search (which was what I did).

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$150 for two 9800GTX+s.
The cheapest I can get one of those, online, for is around £88, which is currently $137 USD.

Each.

Most of the usual suspects I look around on don't even stock it.

You could get by with two 8800's, but like prevously stated, you want a PC that's going to be able to move forward, not be held back like a modern day console, otherwise what's the point? You may aswell just get a console and save yourself the hassle.

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there is one game i can not max out. GTA IV.
GTAIV is just poorly optimised on PC, no doubt about it.

I find this a little hard to believe however, though it depends on what other games you play and your definition of maxxing out (my definition is 1920x1080 min with max graphics settings, highest DX version, official high resolution texture packs where available, and max AA). Even I can't max out every game I play, most especially some of the newer ones, like Crysis 2, The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3, and my system (which cost me just over £600 in total, not including monitor or speakers) is, including my graphics cards (going by some website benchmark comparisons) for the most part, better.

With that said I'll happily stand corrected if proven otherwise.
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I laughed when I saw that Tekken 5 DR was the only big name game on a console rocking 1080 that I know familiarly.

Correct me if I'm wrong but consoles really shouldn't try doing 1080 because of their low VRAM right? So that should pretty much end any conversation. It's not bashing consoles it's just pointing out why things are the way they are. That said; when you game on a console do you sit as close as you do on a PC? Maybe it's just me but I've noticed that things like AA can be lowered the farther away you are from a screen.
     
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I laughed when I saw that Tekken 5 DR was the only big name game on a console rocking 1080 that I know familiarly.
Wipeout is a pretty well established franchise also, so is FIFA Street and Virtua Tennis. Sacred 2 looked really good (and has a pretty good following on PC, with a sequel in development, also) but was bogged down by framerate when things got a bit too hectic, not of a gamebreaking level, but it was apparent though it was probably down to Physx more than resolution.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but consoles really shouldn't try doing 1080 because of their low VRAM right? So that should pretty much end any conversation. It's not bashing consoles it's just pointing out why things are the way they are.
Consoles work differently however. They tend to tap into other components if they require the resources. It's all how the developer codes their game. They do, for the most part, struggle at 1920x1080, but the point being highlighted is that they are capable of it, which alot of people seem to think they are not.

I think PC gamers are sometimes so blinded by what their systems are capable of that they forget just what the little systems, like consoles, are actually capable of considering what they are actually running on. You'd also be surprised at just how much misinformation gets spread regarding both platforms. I'm certainly no martyr but I try and remain as unbiased as possible and as a gamer on both represent both in as equally as I can toward both communities.

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That said; when you game on a console do you sit as close as you do on a PC? Maybe it's just me but I've noticed that things like AA can be lowered the farther away you are from a screen.
When I use my Monitor I'm the same distance as when I play on PC. When I use my TV I'm perhaps five feet away. You can see a difference in aliasing dependant on screen size, distance, and quality for definite. It's the same when I play on my PC on my HDTV aswell. I don't even bother turning AA on in Crysis for example on my HDTV, but turn it up to x2 or x4 on my Monitor because of the viewing distance. I think things like viewing distance, etc are probably taken into consideration during development.

Consoles are also using other technologies to combat aliasing, which works well in some games. Gears of War 3 does a great job for the most part when actually in game.
Edited by Lifeshield - 10/9/11 at 8:24am
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HGS 2.5" Sata 1tb Corsair H100i v2 4 x Corsair SP120 Quiet Windows 10 64bit 
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Benq RL2455 Microsoft Sidewinder X4 EVGA Supernova G2 750w Corsair Carbide Air 240 
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