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Looks cool as hell in design. Didn't see how they were gonna remove water though. That'd be awesome if the middle part was just a pond.
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Originally Posted by Arinoth;15162770 
And so it begins. IF anyone needs me I'll be gearing up for the impending zombie apocalypse

With all due respect, we won't need you. We'll all be preparing, too!
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Reminds me of Minecraft smile.gif.
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Originally Posted by TFL Replica;15164221 
That's an old and misleading dispute.
I'm not quite sure how to take that in terms of what "side" you are on. Unless you are in the field, it's hard to make an informed statement on the subject; it says a lot about the topic that the general public thinks architects are the ones that design things like bridges and buildings. What's on the surface is not the same thing as what's underneath, holding it up! (But no one wants to talk to the structural engineer unless the thing falls down.) Last time I checked, an architect doesn't sign a set of structural plans. rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by kennh;15163104 
Nothing is wrong with Mexico but the problem is building it in Mexico City.

Mexico City was built on an island in the middle of a lake. As the city became more urbanized, the lake was drained and now, most of the city sits on silt,clay and other soft sediments. In case of an earthquake, soft sediments amplify the shaking which means more deaths and damage.

The 1985 Mexico City earthquake was caused by an earthquake 350km out into the ocean but the soft sediments that the city sits on amplified the shaking so much that 250,000 people were left homeless

Not a good place to build it but it would still be a great achievement

Thanks for clarifying. smile.gif
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New New York? But in Mexico
    
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Originally Posted by Deeeebs;15161324 
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Originally Posted by dafour;15161231 
That's cool,can they close it when a disaster comes?smile.gif
Thats kind of what I was thinking... What if it starts raining and doesn't stop?
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Originally Posted by BlackVenom;15164500 
Looks cool as hell in design. Didn't see how they were gonna remove water though. That'd be awesome if the middle part was just a pond.


I guess you guys didn't read the Article.

It specifically states that the structure will be covered with Glass, replacing the Zócalo Square with a massive sheet of glass, so people above on the Surface can look down into it...

Now, how THAT, might work out in the event of a disaster is anyones guess. I really, do NOT want to think about all that glass, shattering and raining down into the pit, and the people inside it, when the next major Earthquake hits!

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Originally Posted by matty0610;15162468 
Ok, Why Mexico?

Maybe because the Zócalo is one of the largest City Squares in the World?

Also perhaps if you READ the article, you'll see that this is an effort to learn more about the various "layers" that the City is built on top of.

Mexico City is built on top of another City, that was built on top of another city, that was built on top of yet another city... going all the way back to the first Aztec Pyramids that were built over a Lake in which much of Mexico City now sits within the dry bed of.

Think of the archeological discoveries this Earthscrapper could uncover!


Lastly, as for Earthquakes.

What causes the DAMAGE in an Earthquake is the fact that we as arrogant Humans, keep building UP. The higher we build the more the building sways and shakes during an Earthquake, the swaying resulting from the fact that the ground is moving beneath the building!

But, if we were to build DOWN, into the ground... then the structure would simply move with the ground, rather then sway back and forth; and thus the Structure would remain largely intact. Some sections near the surface might collaspe, for example the Glass Cover proposed for this Earthscrapper.... and as previously stated, I really don't want to think about the implications of that happening!
     
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I hope this project takes off in the imminent future.
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Originally Posted by stargate125645;15163728 
If properly designed, I would think having a building in the ground would make it better able to withstand an earthquake as long as it doesn't strattle multiple soil types with vast differences in their response to earthquakes. (There is no top of the building sticking out 100s of feet in the air to wiggle around as the ground shakes.)

I also find this the perfect time and place to mention that architects don't design anything but looks. They get all the credit for minimal technical knowledge. It's the structural engineers that make things work. Keep this in mind as you watch specials on TV that interview the architect like he/she actualyl knows what was required for design. It's laughable at best.

I know where you're coming from, trying to represent who's doing all the hard work, but think of it this way. Without the architect those structural engineers wouldn't know how to shape what they're building.

Just like how a cook doesn't need to know who, how and where his/her pots and pans are made, they just need to make a good tasty meal.
 
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While I've only been a student of architecture for awhile back in the day, I assure you we had our structural engineering classes of columns, beams, trusses, loads and so forth. Architects may not know all that an enginner does but they aren't utterly stupid (most of the time) when it comes to thinking about how their creations will stand up.

As for earthquakes, I thought that generally the taller the building, the safer because of the ability of the building to sway and absorb lateral movements similar to wind shear. Buildings in fact that are shorter, with the "ideal" point being at about 10 floors, resonate generally at the frequency of the earthquake and hence, are very prone to collapse.

But either way, look at recent events and tragedies. It is still dependant on what your building is made out of that helps. Poorly standardized concrete that has little to no reinformcement such as is the case in poorer countries hasn't exactly held up well in quakes.

For the OP (a neat article BTW), it'd be interesting to see how this would work. At such a length (height) underground of many layers, it would be a big factor depending on how much shifting of the land there was. There doesn't appear to be a core here as all the terraced walls are simply berms against the ground so I'd still imagine the survival of a building like this in a quake is pretty good.

It looks like a very promising concept aside from how to break up the top skylight level for risks of inducing vertigo over at least 40 floors of atrium.
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A real life geofront?
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