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I know theres 100 other threads about what graphics card to get for this scenario or that one. Hopefully my question is slightly different so that this isn't just a repeat of the other threads.

So my question is like this. With the release of bulldozer coming I will be building a gaming machine to replace the budget one in my signature. The parts will be pretty much top tier parts as follows. The only problem is I can't decide on what graphics card. I have no preference towards either nVidia or AMD. My current desktop has nVidia and my laptop has a Radeon 4570 in it.

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So this is my thinking so far. I pretty much decided that the Sapphire Toxic 6950 2gb would be perfect, however I can never find it in stock so now I am starting to look at other cards. My budget is MAX $400 for a graphics card. Since I am interested in the Toxic line of cards I was debating about getting 2 Sapphire Toxic 6850s and doing crossfire. However doing this leaves me no room to upgrade at a later date without fully replacing the cards. I could go with a standard 6950 and then in the future could crossfire then if I need a performance boost. I could also do the same with a 6970 or SLI a GTX 570.

Sapphire Toxic 6950 2bg - $289.99
Sapphire Toxic 2x 6850 1gb - $379.98
Standard 6950 - $220-270
Standard 6970 - $340-400
Standard GTX 570 - $320-400

I've tried looking at different benchmark testing to decide which card I should go with and currently from what I have seen the clear winner is the 6850s in Crossfire for current games. I'm just afraid that if I crossfire some 6850s in a year or less they might be severely outdated and need to be replaced for a higher end card.

So the other end of the debate though is that if I get 1 6950,6970 or a GTX 570, I would only get 1 card now and perhaps SLI or Crossfire at a later date if more performance was required. My problem is though with the GTX 600 series and Radeon 7000 series looming around the corner in Q1 2012 I would most likely end up replacing any 6970 or 570 anyways with a 7000 or 600 series card.

If you have stuck around through all this and it isn't a complete wall of text this is ultimately my question.

Do I get 2x Sapphire Toxic 6850s, crossfire them and run them like a beast for as long as possible. Or get a 69XX or 570 card and then perhaps replace it in 6-12 months for a 7000 or 600 series card if I need a performance boost?

Open to any and all ideas, suggestions, etc.
    
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Like every other release version, the GTX 600 series will feature a spectrum of video cards. I don't see why you would have to replace the 570 which is a very fast card. It will be the equivalent of the GTX 660 Ti if it follows the current trend.

Plus Q1 2012 is a long times away in technology terms.

People are still buying GTX 400 series cards now even with the GTX 500 series. nvidia and AMD won't price their cards to cannibalize each other's sales.
    
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570 is really nice, I recommend it!

If you are near a micro-center they have 10% all GPU's with a coupon.
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This is the where I can't decide. From benchmark results it would appear that doing 2 Toxic 6850s or any 6850s for that matter in crossfire would be my best performance for current games. I've never crossfied or SLIed before and I've heard there can be some headaches to deal with like micro stuttering and some games not scaling well.

My main concern is Battlefield 3 thats coming out. I would like to have playable FPS while at highest settings possible for whatever card I get. I realize that I won't be able to achieve the highest settings in the game no matter what card I get for my budget. But at the same time I still want my computer to able able to play all current and near future (at least the next year or longer) without having to look at a new graphics card to play at high settings.

If it helps at all I would be playing on a 23inch monitor @ 1920x1080. Maybe I should ask the question like this.

How viable would it be to get 2x 6850s (Toxic editions) for crossfire now and still be able to play future games at high settings for at least 1 year or better without starting to see my game settings have to keep dropping just to keep FPS the same.
    
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This is the where I can't decide. From benchmark results it would appear that doing 2 Toxic 6850s or any 6850s for that matter in crossfire would be my best performance for current games. I've never crossfied or SLIed before and I've heard there can be some headaches to deal with like micro stuttering and some games not scaling well.

My main concern is Battlefield 3 thats coming out. I would like to have playable FPS while at highest settings possible for whatever card I get. I realize that I won't be able to achieve the highest settings in the game no matter what card I get for my budget. But at the same time I still want my computer to able able to play all current and near future (at least the next year or longer) without having to look at a new graphics card to play at high settings.

If it helps at all I would be playing on a 23inch monitor @ 1920x1080. Maybe I should ask the question like this.

How viable would it be to get 2x 6850s (Toxic editions) for crossfire now and still be able to play future games at high settings for at least 1 year or better without starting to see my game settings have to keep dropping just to keep FPS the same.
BF3 will use up more than 1GB of VRAM at 1920x1080 with eyecandy on. You would have to turn down some settings with 6850s. They are excellent cards but BF3 will demand more VRAM with high IQ settings.

The 570 has 1.25GB but you can turn down AA to x16 or x8 if need be; every other setting should be fine. Obviously it'll be slower than 6850s in CFX some of the time but you'll be able to turn on more eyecandy and SLi the 570 in the future.
    
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This is the where I can't decide. From benchmark results it would appear that doing 2 Toxic 6850s or any 6850s for that matter in crossfire would be my best performance for current games. I've never crossfied or SLIed before and I've heard there can be some headaches to deal with like micro stuttering and some games not scaling well.

My main concern is Battlefield 3 thats coming out. I would like to have playable FPS while at highest settings possible for whatever card I get. I realize that I won't be able to achieve the highest settings in the game no matter what card I get for my budget. But at the same time I still want my computer to able able to play all current and near future (at least the next year or longer) without having to look at a new graphics card to play at high settings.

If it helps at all I would be playing on a 23inch monitor @ 1920x1080. Maybe I should ask the question like this.

How viable would it be to get 2x 6850s (Toxic editions) for crossfire now and still be able to play future games at high settings for at least 1 year or better without starting to see my game settings have to keep dropping just to keep FPS the same.
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He said he's getting a 750W. Assuming it's a quality unit it'll cover 570s in SLi.
if you Xfire/SLI you will need to change your PSU probably. Are you ok with that?


The BF3 beta plays on ultra on my 570 and looks/plays amazing. But it is just a beta, the graphics are going to improve but alot.
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if you Xfire/SLI you will need to change your PSU probably. Are you ok with that?
He said he's getting a 750W. Assuming it's a quality unit it'll cover 570s in SLi.
    
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So it comes down to this:

2x 6850s = great performance, decent FPS but less eye candy due to 1gb vram
GTX 570 = great performance, has more vram for eye candy.

What would everyones take be on other games where perhaps 1gb vram isn't used? How would a GTX 570 match up to the 6850s then?

Other games I will play or plan to play.
Diablo 3
Guild Wars 2
Elder Scrolls 5
Dirt 3 or any other top racing game
Crysis 2, etc.
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why not grab a pair of 560ti's newegg has these for 199 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162074 and they should be enough for what you wanna do and if u decide to upgrade later you can sell them
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why not grab a pair of 560ti's newegg has these for 199 after rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162074 and they should be enough for what you wanna do and if u decide to upgrade later you can sell them
Slightly out of my price range. I only say that because I never count on the rebates to keep their word.

I am looking at this as being the card I go with though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130687
eVGA GTX 570 2.5gb vram. Should do quite well and leave me lots of room for the future.

For some reason I have it set in my head that I want the Sapphire Toxic 6850s for CFX, I'm just afraid that I might regret it later if they don't scale quite as well as I hope for BF3 and future games. Hoping someone can lure me onto another card that will be better in the end
    
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