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Less failure points means less solution points. If the internal memory of an iDevice fails, what then? Can't just get a new memory card, gotta return the whole device, which is costly to the consumer because of warranties and shipping and such. However, Apple makes more money off warranties that way. It's clever business, and i'm not gonna be the guy who complains about greedy companies and all that b.s., but this probably doesn't weigh in the consumers favor.
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Originally Posted by steelbom View Post
I'm convinced the prices for SD cards and flash NAND aren't the same. I can't find the prices for the iPad 2, but for the iPad 1 it was $29.5 for 16GB, $59 for 32GB and $118 for $64GB and at the time Apple still only charged $100 to go up from each.

Let's say you pick up a 16GB iPad 2 for $499 and then grab a 64GB SD card for movies... that saves you about $120 off the 64GB iPad 2 and gives you a bit more storage. That might sound great for you, but to me it doesn't.

It costs them about $100 more to use 64GB flash nand instead of 16GB. So you're paying about another $100. That was the case with the iPad 1, and I suspect it to be the same with the iPad 2 although I can't find a detailed BOM for all three storage sizes of the iPad 2.
I looked for prices also, but couldn't find any either, so I really can't say how much it costs Apple. I find it hard to believe it costs them that much considering they buy them in bulk in the millions.

I guess my point is flexibility and freedom, yours is simplicity. I still don't understand your reasoning, but if it works for you, then it works for you.

Extra storage is extra storage. Here's a crazy idea, Apple could save costs, and pass that freedom and savings onto the consumer.

For $200, you could get 128GB with 2 64GB Class 10 cards vs an additional 48GB for the same price.

I'll even give Apple an idea for implementation. Make the Apple logo on the back removable when you push on it, and in place you can insert the SD Card. Or simply insert it at bottom, or on the side, it's really not hard to figure out.



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Yeah, that's fair enough. Oh by the way, I might suggest you enable "convert higher bit-rate songs to 128kbps AAC" as it can really cut down on your space and I don't think you notice the difference.
I had to disable "convert higher bit-rate songs to 128kbps AAC" because 80% of the songs I added were not being recognized or added onto the iPod. I even converted them into AAC and I simply couldn't add them, it was really weird. Turning that option off was the only fix that I found online.

My device is not jailbroken or anything either, so it didn't make sense.

Anyway, just so you know, I'm not one of those guys who blindly dislikes Apple, I did my research considering an iPhone 5 vs an Android device. After much deliberation, it's going to take a lot for me to go with an iPhone 5, right now the Nexus Prime is looking like my most likely upgrade. But I'm definitely waiting for both to be released before choosing 1 over the other.

http://www.overclock.net/mobile-phon...tc-evo-3d.html
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I looked for prices also, but couldn't find any either, so I really can't say how much it costs Apple. I find it hard to believe it costs them that much considering they buy them in bulk in the millions.

I guess my point is flexibility and freedom, yours is simplicity. I still don't understand your reasoning, but if it works for you, then it works for you.

Extra storage is extra storage. Here's a crazy idea, Apple could save costs, and pass that freedom and savings onto the consumer.

For $200, you could get 128GB with 2 64GB Class 10 cards vs an additional 48GB for the same price.

I'll even give Apple an idea for implementation. Make the Apple logo on the back removable when you push on it, and in place you can insert the SD Card. Or simply insert it at bottom, or on the side, it's really not hard to figure out.

<snip>
AHAHAHAA! I can see it now... little pop out Apple logo. And wouldn't it be nice if Apple used little proprietary Apple shaped SD cards? lool
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I had to disable "convert higher bit-rate songs to 128kbps AAC" because 80% of the songs I added were not being recognized or added onto the iPod. I even converted them into AAC and I simply couldn't add them, it was really weird. Turning that option off was the only fix that I found online.

My device is not jailbroken or anything either, so it didn't make sense.

Anyway, just so you know, I'm not one of those guys who blindly dislikes Apple, I did my research considering an iPhone 5 vs an Android device. After much deliberation, it's going to take a lot for me to go with an iPhone 5, right now the Nexus Prime is looking like my most likely upgrade. But I'm definitely waiting for both to be released before choosing 1 over the other.

http://www.overclock.net/mobile-phon...tc-evo-3d.html
Eh really? That's strange, I've not had that problem. I guess that's a good way to cut back music storage lol rofl.

Yeah, I can tell. You don't seem like you blindly hate on Apple or anything. I'm just really hoping the iPhone i5 is da bomb.
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I don't keep music, videos, or many apps on my iPhone. I stream the former two, and when I'm on iOS 5 GM I'll install my regular set of apps (~30). And not every Beta has required a "clean install" so to speak.

The simple fact of the matter is, I'm not ever going to use it. That's why I don't want it, because I'm gaining nothing and I won't like how it looks as much with that little slot on it. It's not a huge deal, but that's why.

I have used an SD card before and I didn't like it. I used it because I had to, but if I had the choice I'd pay extra to have it internal. You might not understand that but it's a big enough deal for me to pay extra money for it.
You don't have any of your songs or movies on your iphone? No wonder why you don't care about having expandable memory. But you do realize that you're in an infinitesimally small minority of iphone users--people who don't put either music or movies on their iphone?

All arguments are now null and void. Of course you don't need the option of an expandable memory slot if you don't even use your internal HD for anything...

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I totally see the need for SD/CF cards with digital cameras. Taking into account some photos can be large as 100MB+ each (but even with ~10MB photos), you simply couldn't have enough built-in storage.
Do realize that storing just a single 1hr episode of a tv show at SD resolution at a decent bitrate can push 700MB? Not to mention higher bitrate near-HD files that someone wants to watch... What if someone wanted a whole season of a show to have with them to watch at various times?

There's no reason not to have an SD slot--and there's no way integrating one would cost anything significant to the price of the phone. And regarding aesthetics, you already have a slot in the side of your phone for your sim card. How would adding a micro SD slot change much? It's such a small slot, and covers are well-designed.

But Apple will never offer this. It plays right into their marketing, and it makes good business sense for them.
    
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The only thing retarded is your comment.
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Agreed. Why can people not just use what they're comfortable with?

I'm not saying I don't argue in favour of Android as a fanboy, but in the end it's whatever people feel they'll get on best with, it's unfortunate that fanboyism is strongly associated with Apple's brand.
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Yes because we all enjoy fixing bugs and tweaking things all the time when we are off work. Sometimes ease of use trumps power and versatility.
All successfully trolled . Besides someone repped me for it lol. It is true to some extent though. The iOS is designed to be so simple not much can go wrong with it whereas Android offers a lot more in terms of flexibility. I'm tempted to get an iPod Touch to partner my phone as a PMP. Access to the Appstore/games available on iOS which I can use on Wi-Fi via my HTC Sensation or hotspots.
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Depending on which SD card you get.

Class 2 -2 MB/s
Class 4 -4 MB/s
Class 6 -6 MB/s
Class 10 -10 MB/s

I've had many SD cards, and have yet to have one fail on me.

Once again, the iPhone's Flash Storage is no different than the flash storage found in SD Cards. Except of course the lack of flexibility and upgrade options that Apple takes away from you.

Imagine if you could buy an iPhone 5 16GB, and add your own 16 GB Class 10 card for $25 or a 32GB card for like $50. Not to mention for the $100 Apple charges you, you could get 2 32GB cards or 1 64GB card instead.

Apple would never allow this since they charge you $100 for an additional 16GB storage instead.

A lot of Android handsets on the other hand offer you this flexibility.

You see, some of us have valid reasons to dislike Apple's business practices.
This arguement is right on so many levels +1.
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Let's say you pick up a 16GB iPad 2 for $499 and then grab a 64GB SD card for movies... that saves you about $120 off the 64GB iPad 2 and gives you a bit more storage. That might sound great for you, but to me it doesn't.


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No, in that quote I said why I didn't want to use an SD card whereas aesthetics are the main reason I don't want in on the device at all (even as an option).
I'm not sure you understand that the SD slot is generally internal. Of course, since Apple seals their phone (which prevents you from changing the battery out as well), they wouldn't be able to do this. Basically Apple has made a series of decisions which are all in their best interest to screw you out of money, and oddly you're ok with that. I'm generally not too excited when a company overcharges by hundreds of dollars, and then removes functionality from the product to screw me out of even more money. To each their own I guess, I guess it just saddens me that people continue to support companies that intentionally do this stuff.

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Let's say you pick up a 16GB iPad 2 for $499 and then grab a 64GB SD card for movies... that saves you about $120 off the 64GB iPad 2 and gives you a bit more storage. That might sound great for you, but to me it doesn't.
Uh....? You sir have just won the sole spot in my sig for quotes.
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I'm not sure you understand that the SD slot is generally internal. Of course, since Apple seals their phone (which prevents you from changing the battery out as well), they wouldn't be able to do this. Basically Apple has made a series of decisions which are all in their best interest to screw you out of money, and oddly you're ok with that. I'm generally not too excited when a company overcharges by hundreds of dollars, and then removes functionality from the product to screw me out of even more money. To each their own I guess, I guess it just saddens me that people continue to support companies that intentionally do this stuff.
Except there's already a slot for the phone's SIM card.

Not to mention that the guy already admitted that he doesn't store either music or movies on his phone's internal memory. Kinda makes arguing from either side pretty pointless.
    
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So, where can we watch the keynote?

One more thing btw: Steelbom, did you ever hear of the iPad's sD card adapter? Apple CAN easily add an SD card adapter, but they choose not to, to milk more money out of their consumers.
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