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I have two old computers and one hard drive. I'm trying to set up one for general internet use. I need some help to decide what computer would be the best choice. One is a amd thunderbird 1.2 GHz with 512 megs of ram, some ati agp card, and a sound blaster card. The other is a compaq with a celeron at 1.1 GHz, 256 megs of ram. I can mix the parts up some between the two but need one good running machine. My plan is to put a light linux distro on it.
    
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Defiantly the AMD thunderbird. Nuff said
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The thunderbird is better because of the larger L2 cache, opens programs and transfers files quicker, it also supports faster ram.
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Defiantly the AMD thunderbird. Nuff said
QFT.

AMD Thunderbird > Celeron 1.1 Heck even the Duron > Celeron's

Some reviews:

http://www.anandtech.com/print/637

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardwar...1x2ghz/9.shtml
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Thanks every one for the info. It seems That I skipped that whole generation of chips. Not to bad I think I payed like 10 bucks for the thunderbird, because it was a old full tower. It is running xbuntu ok but firefox can be kinda sluggish.
    
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Thanks every one for the info. It seems That I skipped that whole generation of chips. Not to bad I think I payed like 10 bucks for the thunderbird, because it was a old full tower. It is running xbuntu ok but firefox can be kinda sluggish.
In my experience that's pretty much a Firefox thing on linux. Always feels a lot slower to do anything in linux than on Windows. I don't think Xubuntu is as light as it could be, either. Crunchbang/Archbang are two of the faster distros I've tried recently (running Archbang and enjoying it, myself) not counting the ones that have been stripped bare for speed.
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In my experience that's pretty much a Firefox thing on linux. Always feels a lot slower to do anything in linux than on Windows. I don't think Xubuntu is as light as it could be, either. Crunchbang/Archbang are two of the faster distros I've tried recently (running Archbang and enjoying it, myself) not counting the ones that have been stripped bare for speed.
How noob friendly is crunchbang/archbang? I just need a easy, stable distro that my mom can use to check email and surf the web. It has been over a month with Xubuntu and no calls for help. She says its working fine but it wont run some java stuff. It had windows xp on it when I got it, and I got phone calls every day about issues. I my self was thinking about switching my laptop to a Debian based distro and was leaning to Arch. I have used Mint and Kubuntu.
    
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Once it's up and running, it's not too bad. There's a bit of a bug in the release of Archbang I was using which broke the GUI when updated, but it's easy to fix, just read the wiki on the Archbang webpage. I feel happier using that than *buntu which tends to do quite a bit of spoonfeeding.

The 'shock' might be that Openbox doesn't have a start menu, per se, but it can be reached by right clicking on the desktop... and if that's really horrifying, you can install something like Docky and have an OSX-like dock on the screen.

Debian isn't Arch, by the way. Or vice versa, whatever. I'm not a fan on the *buntu based distros; Ubuntu is based on Debian, so having a distro based on a distro based on a distro seems like having a middleman pointlessly.

The biggest 'negative' of Arch (which is also a positive to many) is that it's a rolling release, which while it means you're bang up to date all the time, can mean that updates break stuff occasionally. I've never had it happen to me, personally, yet - on raw build-system-from-scratch Arch, but I have with Archbang. But it won't update on it's own.

If that scares you, then the Debian based Crunchbang would probably be a better bet. Or just stick with Xubuntu; I just feel like *buntu's getting overly bloated.
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