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Epic fail they proved Einsteins theory was wrong and then they say this new theory which will probably be wrong as well.
    
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Could be caused by an initial velocity far far greater than the speed of light, as they lost energy and slowed down, but still making the average velocity above the speed light across the 486 mile distance.

I do believe this is a mistake for the record
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I was under the impression that the Teavtron at Fermi lab was shutting down, hence they could not run a comparative test.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...dbye-tevatron/
They have a different setup for neutrinos.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...109.6562v1.pdf

There are a number of people who seem to off hand dismiss this paper. That's pretty silly. As far as my knowledge of physics go the theory there is pretty basic, and supported by a lot of data.
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No it was aliens!.
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They have a different setup for neutrinos.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/...109.6562v1.pdf

There are a number of people who seem to off hand dismiss this paper. That's pretty silly. As far as my knowledge of physics go the theory there is pretty basic, and supported by a lot of data.
nearly everyone is thinking something is wrong
the guys from cern probably don't believe their own results either
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Epic fail they proved Einsteins theory was wrong and then they say this new theory which will probably be wrong as well.
One experiment proves an entire theory, that we've seen work countless of times before, wrong? Epic fail If you'd read any of the other topics, you'd understand that even if the speed of light barrier was broken, it doesn't invalidate everything Einstein theorized.
    
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You have to split science between 2 levels. They are working on the quantum level therefore the laws of physics are different. This is where quantum mechanics comes in. Now we don't have a 100% understand of it from what I read about it. We understand a lot more about the laws of physics you and I operate on, but on the quantum level, they are just beginning to scratch the surface.

So theoretically if you apply the rules the general population learns in like high school such as e=mc^2 and what not, then breaking the speed of light would be impossible unless you had something to keep you from getting "heavier". Of course that's not taking into account a bunch of other things nor is the 100% bonafide correct theory either.

At the quantum level, things just seem to do what ever they want. So with our limited equipment and understanding, there is a chance that it did but we don't have sensitive enough equipment to measure that, or that it didn't break the barrier. But since only one group of scientist can actually do the experiment, we have to look at it indirectly in terms of scrutiny (the mathematics behind it).
That is a assumption born from 100 year old observations built on math. Its not proven. Quantum mechanics is just a way to try and use math to extrapolate bad observations. I don't even think the standard model has it right either.
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One experiment proves an entire theory, that we've seen work countless of times before, wrong? Epic fail If you'd read any of the other topics, you'd understand that even if the speed of light barrier was broken, it doesn't invalidate everything Einstein theorized.
Actually it does, because Eisenstein theory's are based on the conversion between mass/energy summed up as e=mc2
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Yeah, how about they analyze the other team's research first before saying no because of a THEORY.

I hope they remembered what the definition of theory means..

"an unproved assumption"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory
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