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They also said Neutrinos don't go faster than light.

So... yeah.

I'm not saying they passed the speed of light, I'm just saying the argument that something conflicting with known theory is impossible because it conflicts with known theory seems somewhat... circular.
    
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I have to admit, this is still pretty exciting. For example: It took THOUSANDS of years to determine a value for something many of us take for granted, the number pi. (Which still baffles many today.) I cannot imagine the amount of work that is going to go into proving/disproving this data and the laws/theories that coincide with it.

These guys have a lot of work ahead of themselves.

(Fun Fact: Carl Sagan suggested that the number pi contains a hidden message contained within its digits from the creator of the universe in one of his books. )

pi is a lie.
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A theory is just that..A theory. Doesn't mean it's true no matter what, it means at this moment in time that's what science says is true. Theories have been broken tons of times before.
Theories aren't broken, simply refined.

But that's a far cry from an 'unproven assumption' like you were trying to assert earlier.
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Why? Energy is only needed to accelerate a particle, right? If the neutrino was in a vacuum that had already been accelerated to the speed of light, then it would still go at the speed of light in a straight tunnel, right?
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Bad science article is bad.

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That’s another way of saying that the neutrinos in question are thought to have traveled at 1.0025 times the speed of light. That’s certainly a small enough margin to be explained away by some kind of measurement error.
Even if the difference is only 0.0025times the speed of light that is still a difference of 749,481m/s ...that is not a small difference on a scale we can measure.
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I think what you'll find is that alot of things have 'exceptions'. Just because it goes against what one 'theory' states doesn't mean the theory is proven wrong.

For example, the physics we know today will stay reletively intact under the assumption that something isn't moving faster than the speed of light, once we cross that ground, new theories may be put into place using the exception (And that's assuming these results are even proven to be true).

Not only that, our race is quite new so to speak, we aren't the scientific geniuses that know the universe down to a tee like alot of people seem to think.
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I think what you'll find is that alot of things have 'exceptions'. Just because it goes against what one 'theory' states doesn't mean the theory is proven wrong.

For example, the physics we know today will stay reletively intact under the assumption that something isn't moving faster than the speed of light, once we cross that ground, new theories may be put into place using the exception (And that's assuming these results are even proven to be true).

Not only that, our race is quite new so to speak, we aren't the scientific geniuses that know the universe down to a tee like alot of people seem to think.
It wouldn't be farfetched to think that there is a civilization more advanced than us that can move objects at such speeds.
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OMG one man's "theory" could be wrong, IMPOSSIBLE!

There are no constants.
How about that?
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OMG one man's "theory" could be wrong, IMPOSSIBLE!

There are no constants.
How about that?
Science goes off of what we can demonstrate.

Until it can be demonstrated that constants aren't actually constant, we shall continue to accept that they are indeed constant. However, science is more than happy to incorporate new data.

Science doesn't care about holding an infallible image, it cares only for the truth.

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I think what you'll find is that alot of things have 'exceptions'. Just because it goes against what one 'theory' states doesn't mean the theory is proven wrong.

For example, the physics we know today will stay reletively intact under the assumption that something isn't moving faster than the speed of light, once we cross that ground, new theories may be put into place using the exception (And that's assuming these results are even proven to be true).

Not only that, our race is quite new so to speak, we aren't the scientific geniuses that know the universe down to a tee like alot of people seem to think.
The thing is, relativity theory has been proven true as best we can prove it to be. We've put atomic clocks at different altitudes, and due to the difference in their transversal velocity, they have measured different amounts of time.

My bet is that, if these neutrinos are moving faster than light in our frame of reference, they're probably entering what science fiction writers have forever called "hyperspace" where light speed doesn't matter anymore.
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Science goes off of what we can demonstrate.

Until it can be demonstrated that constants aren't actually constant, we shall continue to accept that they are indeed constant. However, science is more than happy to incorporate new data.

Science doesn't care about holding an infallible image, it cares only for the truth.
How we perceive externals (and internals) changes as well.
I think this will ultimately turn out to be a red herring.

However, for the sake of argument, I just think it's absurd people are tossing around the word "impossible" and saying "it can't be done", when discussing universal phenomena.

And to herald Einstein as almost Godly is just plain ridiculous.
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