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First of all thank you for looking into my thread. In order to allow you to correctly guide me towards the right parts for my build, it is best if I introduce my computer's future use and purpose. I had a previous build planned based on a i7 980 but the final cost came out to around $2.4k which is out of my budget so I am trying to find alternatives to bring down the final cost to $1-1.5k which is approximately my budget. I am interested in acquiring an i7 2600k and overclocking it. This computer is meant to replace my laptop and I will use this computer for:

-Storage and Manipulation of files: Tons of packing and unpacking with Winrar, cuting, pasting, deleting, editing. Basically I would like to go through my computer files swiftly and 1-2 TB of HHD should suffice. Not interested in SSD.
-Casual Gaming: Not asking for it to be able to run the most demanding game at maxed settings but it should be able to run "current" games at medium settings. I expect my build to output 1080p with HDMI to my 22in TV.
-Stability, Power, and Resources: This computer will stay on 24/7 with may be 1-2 restarts a month which is why I want to replace my laptop with a desktop. I run 10 resource extensive Java applications with each taking their fair share of both my RAM and CPU usage. Would like to run up to 15 on new build, each app takes 7-12 of laptop CPU and about 600-800 MB RAM. I would like to have 16-32GB, for 1155 motherboards it seems 16GB is the max? These programs are primarily linked to an internet connection and I would like options for both Wired and Wireless connections. On my current laptop I’ve sometimes notice page load times of up to 15-20 seconds. Not sure if it is my CPU or my Internet connection that creates this lag. Since it runs 24/7 it is important for the system to remain cool, one of my main issues with my laptop staying on prolonged periods of time under high load.

Current System: (Laptop Dell XPS L501X) (Rating: 5.9) (Not Overclocked)
86 ProcessesCPU Usage: 63-95% Physical Memory: 89%
Intel i7 840QM @ 1.87GHz; 8 GB DC CL9 RAM @ 667 MHz; 2GB GeForce GT 435M at @ 650 MHz

PLANNED SYSTEM COMPONENTS:
CPU: Intel i7 2600k @ 3.40 GHz LGA1155 Supports 32GB DC DDR3 1066/1333 MHz $314.99
RAM: Max RAM is a must, is 1600 MHz or higher worth it if CPU underclocks it to his maximum supported frequency? Considering Corsair Vengeance Black 4GB sticks at 1600 MHz, Corsair Vengeance Blue 4GB sticks at 1600 MHz, Corsair Vengeance Red 8GB sticks at 1600 MHz?, Corsair Vengeance Red 8GM sticks at 1866 MH?, or G.Skill Ripjaws X Series Red/Blue 4GB sticks at 1600MHz. Which of those RAMs do you recommend? Feel free to suggest one I didn’t list, putting $50-100/8GB RAM.
MOTHERBOARD: Must be LGA1155, support the RAM, and be overclockable of course. Considering Asus Maximus IV Extreme REV 3.0, Sabertooth P67 REV 3.0, P8P67 PRO REV 3.1, P8Z68 DELUXE, or Maximus IV Extreme Z. GA or ASUS is fine with me, don’t know much about them but features, software, reliability, performance, overclockability are important. Feel free to suggest one I didn’t list, putting $200-350 for MOBO.
OS: Linux doesn’t run my applets good. Have to stick with Windows 7 64 bit, any suggestion about which version to go for? If you claim it is really worth it, I’ll spend money on upgrading tiers.
CASE: Had in mind an AZZA Full Tower Computer Case HURRUCAN 2000R (Black/Red) which costs $149.99. Seems like it provides good cooling and there is room to let air flow as well as plenty of fans. Feel free to suggest a similar case for a similar price and why it is better, putting about $150 into it. Only reason I can think of is better cooling or compatibility issues.
DVD: Lite-On Lightscribe IHAS424-98 DVD at a cost of $25.99. This one seems like a good deal, not interested in Blue-ray for now.
SOUND: Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro at a cost of $116.31. This one seems top of the line and affordable.
GRAPHICS: Had in mind MSI GeForce GTX560 1GB DDR5 PCI-E TI TWIN FROZR II OC for a price of $224.99. Was thinking this should cost me more in between $150 to $200 but if some of you really consider this card to be good value, I’ll keep it. Suggestions accepted.
COOLING: First was little ancious to try the H60 and H80 Water coolers but now I am bit paranoid about running liquids in my system. I prefer air cooling and have Noctua NH-C14 in mind. Benchmarks gave this one best scores most of the time. Suggestions accepted, willing to spend $80-100 on cooler. This one is $86.02.
HHD: I had in mind WD 1.5 TB Caviar Black 6Gb/s 7200 RPM with dual processor and 64MB Cache for a cost of $121.59. I like WD drives and faster and larger the better. Unsure if I should go for 1TB, 1.5TB or 2TB. Suggestions accepted but willing to spend relatively similar here.
PSU: I have no idea what amount of watts I am going to need for my build specially if I’m overclocking, I don’t want to have less than I need or an big excess of watts. Not going to run multiple GPU or stuff like that. Mostly just need to power my Case fans, the cooler, cpu, gpu, sound card, dvd, you know the basic stuff. Overclocking, if I do I will not go higher than 4.5 GHz. I had 850 Watt planned but to be honest, I got no idea about PSU and wattage, low heat buildup would be good, keep in mind this pc is to stay on 24 hours a day 7 days a week so it needs to be able to take the work. Modular is preferable, I was looking at Corsair as the brand but any other works too.
NETWORKING: I tried to look for the best wireless card I could find and TP-LINK TL-WN951N 300Mbps Wireless N PCI Adapter is only decent looking one I found. I prefer Wireless N and 300Mbps would be good. I don’t trust this card is that good though so any suggestions about a better wireless adaptor for high usage will be welcome. One of the buildings in which I might run the build has no Ethernet ports and all the internet is wireless which is why I need it to run on wireless. As for the Ethernet, came about this card: VisionTek Killer 2100 128MB DDR2 PCI-E Gaming Network Card at a cost of $84.99. I know most motherboards have integrated Ethernet but would this card really improve my connection speeds and overall performance?

Thank you in advance for your suggestions and I am always open to discussion. I am not an expert on hardware, which is why I plead you’ll take the time and help me put together a system that is not only compatible with itself but that can perform as expected.
Edited by DemiseScythe - 10/4/11 at 1:33pm
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First of all thank you for looking into my thread. In order to allow you to correctly guide me towards the right parts for my build, it is best if I introduce my computer's future use and purpose. I had a previous build planned based on a i7 980 but the final cost came out to around $2.4k which is out of my budget so I am trying to find alternatives to bring down the final cost to $1-1.5k which is approximately my budget. I am interested in acquiring an i7 2600k and overclocking it. This computer is meant to replace my laptop and I will use this computer for:

-Storage and Manipulation of files: Tons of packing and unpacking with Winrar, cuting, pasting, deleting, editing. Basically I would like to go through my computer files swiftly and 1-2 TB of HHD should suffice. Not interested in SSD.
-Casual Gaming: Not asking for it to be able to run the most demanding game at maxed settings but it should be able to run "current" games at medium settings. I expect my build to output 1080p with HDMI to my 22in TV.
-Stability, Power, and Resources: This computer will stay on 24/7 with may be 1-2 restarts a month which is why I want to replace my laptop with a desktop. I run 10 resource extensive Java applications with each taking their fair share of both my RAM and CPU usage. Would like to run up to 15 on new build, each app takes 7-12 of laptop CPU and about 600-800 MB RAM. I would like to have 16-24GB, for 1155 motherboards it seems 16GB is the max. These programs are primarily linked to an internet connection and I would like options for both Wired and Wireless connections. On my current laptop I’ve sometimes notice page load times of up to 15-20 seconds. Not sure if it is my CPU or my Internet connection that creates this lag. Since it runs 24/7 it is important for the system to remain cool, one of my main issues with my laptop staying on prolonged periods of time under high load.

Current System: (Laptop Dell XPS L501X) (Rating: 5.9) (Not Overclocked)
86 ProcessesCPU Usage: 63-95% Physical Memory: 89%
Intel i7 840QM @ 1.87GHz; 8 GB DC CL9 RAM @ 667 MHz; 2GB GeForce GT 435M at @ 650 MHz

PLANNED SYSTEM COMPONENTS:
CPU: Intel i7 2600k @ 3.40 GHz LGA1155 Supports 32GB DC DDR3 1066/1333 MHz $314.99
RAM: Max RAM is a must, is 1600 MHz or higher worth it if CPU underclocks it to his maximum supported frequency? Considering Corsair Vengeance Black 4GB sticks at 1600 MHz, Corsair Vengeance Blue 4GB sticks at 1600 MHz, Corsair Vengeance Red 8GB sticks at 1600 MHz?, Corsair Vengeance Red 8GM sticks at 1866 MH?, or G.Skill Ripjaws X Series Red/Blue 4GB sticks at 1600MHz. Which of those RAMs do you recommend? Feel free to suggest one I didn’t list, putting $50-100/8GB RAM.
MOTHERBOARD: Must be LGA1155, support the RAM, and be overclockable of course. Considering Asus Maximus IV Extreme REV 3.0, Sabertooth P67 REV 3.0, P8P67 PRO REV 3.1, P8Z68 DELUXE, or Maximus IV Extreme Z. GA or ASUS is fine with me, don’t know much about them but features, software, reliability, performance, overclockability are important. Feel free to suggest one I didn’t list, putting $200-350 for MOBO.
OS: Linux doesn’t run my applets good. Have to stick with Windows 7 64 bit, any suggestion about which version to go for? If you claim it is really worth it, I’ll spend money on upgrading tiers.
CASE: Had in mind an AZZA Full Tower Computer Case HURRUCAN 2000R (Black/Red) which costs $149.99. Seems like it provides good cooling and there is room to let air flow as well as plenty of fans. Feel free to suggest a similar case for a similar price and why it is better, putting about $150 into it. Only reason I can think of is better cooling or compatibility issues.
DVD: Lite-On Lightscribe IHAS424-98 DVD at a cost of $25.99. This one seems like a good deal, not interested in Blue-ray for now.
SOUND: Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro at a cost of $116.31. This one seems top of the line and affordable.
GRAPHICS: Had in mind MSI GeForce GTX560 1GB DDR5 PCI-E TI TWIN FROZR II OC for a price of $224.99. Was thinking this should cost me more in between $150 to $200 but if some of you really consider this card to be good value, I’ll keep it. Suggestions accepted.
COOLING: First was little ancious to try the H60 and H80 Water coolers but now I am bit paranoid about running liquids in my system. I prefer air cooling and have Noctua NH-C14 in mind. Benchmarks gave this one best scores most of the time. Suggestions accepted, willing to spend $80-100 on cooler. This one is $86.02.
HHD: I had in mind WD 1.5 TB Caviar Black 6Gb/s 7200 RPM with dual processor and 64MB Cache for a cost of $121.59. I like WD drives and faster and larger the better. Unsure if I should go for 1TB, 1.5TB or 2TB. Suggestions accepted but willing to spend relatively similar here.
PSU: I have no idea what amount of watts I am going to need for my build specially if I’m overclocking, I don’t want to have less than I need or an big excess of watts. Not going to run multiple GPU or stuff like that. Mostly just need to power my Case fans, the cooler, cpu, gpu, sound card, dvd, you know the basic stuff. Overclocking, if I do I will not go higher than 4.5 GHz. I had 850 Watt planned but to be honest, I got no idea about PSU and wattage, low heat buildup would be good, keep in mind this pc is to stay on 24 hours a day 7 days a week so it needs to be able to take the work. Modular is preferable, I was looking at Corsair as the brand but any other works too.
NETWORKING: I tried to look for the best wireless card I could find and TP-LINK TL-WN951N 300Mbps Wireless N PCI Adapter is only decent looking one I found. I prefer Wireless N and 300Mbps would be good. I don’t trust this card is that good though so any suggestions about a better wireless adaptor for high usage will be welcome. One of the buildings in which I might run the build has no Ethernet ports and all the internet is wireless which is why I need it to run on wireless. As for the Ethernet, came about this card: VisionTek Killer 2100 128MB DDR2 PCI-E Gaming Network Card at a cost of $84.99. I know most motherboards have integrated Ethernet but would this card really improve my connection speeds and overall performance?

Thank you in advance for your suggestions and I am always open to discussion. I am not an expert on hardware, which is why I plead you’ll take the time and help me put together a system that is not only compatible with itself but that can perform as expected.
With that budget you can max pretty much any game on 1080p

I5 2500k better in games than a 2600k and more $$$ spare to get a better graphics card
Asus P8Z68 Pro
gtx 560ti - 570 or 580
8gb G-skill ripjaws x 1600mhz ram
650w seasonic, xfx, corsair psu, More than enough for your build.
Coolermaster hyper 212+ cpu cooler, Good enough for 4.5ghz
Samsung spinpoint f3 1tb HDD
64-120gb SSD as a boot drive

Hope this helps
Edited by Chewy - 10/4/11 at 1:40pm
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With that budget you can max pretty much any game on 1080p

I5 2500k better in games than a 2600k and more $$$ spare to get a better graphics card

Hope this helps
I love when people read the OP and make recommendations that only apply to a small part of it. Everything but gaming benefits from more cores and more threads when multitasking and he already said he wants to run a ton of JAVA apps constantly.

@OP, don't get the 2500k.

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Wall of text
1) You'll get more responses if you can compress down your post some. You can assume hardware knowledge from people that would actually be able to help you (or at least ready access to Google), and for the most part, all we need is the name of the part (i7-2600k) and a note if you have one (like "want lots of threads and overclockable" so we know why you chose that CPU). Wall of text posts tend to get fewer responses. Just a friendly FYI.

2) Unless you're looking for an ungodly overclock, you don't have to get an unlocked CPU. I have both an i7-970 (sig rig) for multi-threading-goodness when I do dev work and VMs, and a 2600k for my HTPC/Gaming computer. Socket 1366 can have more RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131755). 970's have 12-threads and can frequently be OC'd to over 4GHz without much difficulty... but 8GB sticks of RAM are still crazy-expensive, but prices are dropping quickly.

3) the MSI 560Ti is a great card, I have two in my 2600k rig. They are fantastic cards for the money and provide good performance as a single card and scale reasonably well for SLI in the future.

4) a 650-750W PSU would be more than enough, and leave you room to expand in. A 650W will allow you to SLI 560Ti's. I always get more than I need on PSUs because generally my PSU outlives my GPUs.

5) Don't skimp on the case. The old-favorites are favs for a reason. HAF932, HAF X, Antec 1200 (although I don't like this case personally), I've heard great things about the NZXT Phantom, the RAVEN cases, or if you want something a little more professional looking, the Fractal XL (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811352005). Cases are worth over-buying a little because you never know what you'll need/want to add in to your rig in a year or two, and getting a better case now saves you having to buy a new one then.

6) Dedicated 'gaming' NIC cards are a joke. On-board gigabit lan works great.

7) Have a seperate OS/software drive and data drives. Say, a 500GB WD Black for your OS and programs, then a 2TB Black for everything else. Seperating your drives will improve performance, and allow you to distribute programs that constantly run across multiple drives so no single drive is bogged down with read/writes from programs you can't close. Also, check out Samsung F3's as they provide much better price/performance ratio, but aren't as fast overall.

8) Make sure whatever wireless card you get EXPLICITLY supports windows 7 64-bit, if not it can cause you a lot of headaches with driver signing issues, incompatibility, etc.

9) Unless you need VPN capability, whole hard drive encryption or language packs then Win 7 Home Premium should be just fine for you.
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I love when people read the OP and make recommendations that only apply to a small part of it. Everything but gaming benefits from more cores and more threads when multitasking and he already said he wants to run a ton of JAVA apps constantly.

@OP, don't get the 2500k.


1) You'll get more responses if you can compress down your post some. You can assume hardware knowledge from people that would actually be able to help you (or at least ready access to Google), and for the most part, all we need is the name of the part (i7-2600k) and a note if you have one (like "want lots of threads and overclockable" so we know why you chose that CPU). Wall of text posts tend to get fewer responses. Just a friendly FYI.

2) Unless you're looking for an ungodly overclock, you don't have to get an unlocked CPU. I have both an i7-970 (sig rig) for multi-threading-goodness when I do dev work and VMs, and a 2600k for my HTPC/Gaming computer. Socket 1366 can have more RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131755). 970's have 12-threads and can frequently be OC'd to over 4GHz without much difficulty... but 8GB sticks of RAM are still crazy-expensive, but prices are dropping quickly.

3) the MSI 560Ti is a great card, I have two in my 2600k rig. They are fantastic cards for the money and provide good performance as a single card and scale reasonably well for SLI in the future.

4) a 650-750W PSU would be more than enough, and leave you room to expand in. A 650W will allow you to SLI 560Ti's. I always get more than I need on PSUs because generally my PSU outlives my GPUs.

5) Don't skimp on the case. The old-favorites are favs for a reason. HAF932, HAF X, Antec 1200 (although I don't like this case personally), I've heard great things about the NZXT Phantom, the RAVEN cases, or if you want something a little more professional looking, the Fractal XL (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811352005). Cases are worth over-buying a little because you never know what you'll need/want to add in to your rig in a year or two, and getting a better case now saves you having to buy a new one then.

6) Dedicated 'gaming' NIC cards are a joke. On-board gigabit lan works great.

7) Have a seperate OS/software drive and data drives. Say, a 500GB WD Black for your OS and programs, then a 2TB Black for everything else. Seperating your drives will improve performance, and allow you to distribute programs that constantly run across multiple drives so no single drive is bogged down with read/writes from programs you can't close. Also, check out Samsung F3's as they provide much better price/performance ratio, but aren't as fast overall.

8) Make sure whatever wireless card you get EXPLICITLY supports windows 7 64-bit, if not it can cause you a lot of headaches with driver signing issues, incompatibility, etc.

9) Unless you need VPN capability, whole hard drive encryption or language packs then Win 7 Home Premium should be just fine for you.
For his budget the extra $100 would be more usefull on a better gpu,

I love it when people automaticaly think a 2500k is a dog compared to a 2600k in multithreaded apps, when in reality you would be hard pushed to notice the difference. and to some the extra $100 is better spent elsewhere.

this may help, as said they trade blows all over and each win in their own right

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=287
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For his budget the extra $100 would be more usefull on a better gpu,

I love it when people automaticaly think a 2500k is a dog compared to a 2600k in multithreaded apps, when in reality you would be hard pushed to notice the difference. and to some the extra $100 is better spent elsewhere.

this may help, as said they trade blows all over and each win in their own right

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=287
Being as much as 26% faster in heavily threaded apps sure is close. Also, in the F@H market, a 2600K -bigadv @4.9GHz get's ~50k ppd, 2500K -bigadv @4.71 get's ~25-30k ppd.

Also "Trading blows all over" implies the 2500k beats the 2600k about as many times and as equally as it loses to it, and that is not the case at all. The 2500k edges out a couple benchmarks and then loses all the rest by much larger percentages.

The 2500k is a great CPU, don't get me wrong, but when he's describing running multiple, large applications at once, I'm always going to give favor to more cores and more RAM.
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Being as much as 26% faster in heavily threaded apps sure is close. Also, in the F@H market, a 2600K -bigadv @4.9GHz get's ~50k ppd, 2500K -bigadv @4.71 get's ~25-30k ppd.

Also "Trading blows all over" implies the 2500k beats the 2600k about as many times and as equally as it loses to it, and that is not the case at all. The 2500k edges out a couple benchmarks and then loses all the rest by much larger percentages.

The 2500k is a great CPU, don't get me wrong, but when he's describing running multiple, large applications at once, I'm always going to give favor to more cores and more RAM.
the 2600k is also 4 cores

It really does depend on the op and his views on the matter but to some that extra few fps really isnt worth the extra $$$
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