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There are still many CPU dependant games out there. Like GTA 4 for example, it runs terrible on dual core i3s but when you put a Phenom x4 in there, performance rises a lot.
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AM3+ combo:$162 shipped and $10 rebate on top

Drop the mobo to the AM3 ASRock 870 iCafe open box for $48 shipped and the gap widens. Great motherboard as well. Or the M68MT-S2P for similar cost.

Minimum-cost LGA1155 PC:$182 shipped, no rebate.

No way it costs the same.
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?...7b637385dab898
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-H61M-VS
A whopping $13. Sadly enough, you would probably get this back from the electricity bill with the i3.

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Wrong.

Not only is the Phenom II X4 955 BE less expensive than the i3-2100 by $20, but thanks to an unlocked multiplier, will outperform it when overclocked.

Now, with a 125W TDP, you're going to need a good HSF; regardless, your statement is rooted in nothing more than conjecture and bias.
No, the i3-2100 is faster than the Phenom II at 4.0ghz, read pioneer above and find just about any benchmark.

Again, the HSF isn't free and the TDP is higher than the already high 125W when overclocked.

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OP, I suggest you look for deals instead of just buying full price on newegg, you might even be able to snag an i5 rig with that budget (~$500). If your friend wants best gaming performance, get the i3, if he wants a little less gaming performance and overclocking, get the 955.
HSF isn't free and there's a huge power draw, especially after overclocking with the 955. See above.

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There are still many CPU dependant games out there. Like GTA 4 for example, it runs terrible on dual core i3s but when you put a Phenom x4 in there, performance rises a lot.
No, the i3-2100 is faster than the X4 in all games. Please find a benchmark before you blow smoke.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289

Basically you guys are recommending him buy a CPU and motherboard setup that he will have to overclock to 4.0ghz just to match the performance of the i3. To do that, not only would you need to buy a aftermarket cooler (not free) but you would be drawing 3-4 times the power of the i3 at load. The huge power differential also translates to much more heat produced by the Phenom.

On top of all this, he would have to go through the time and hassle of getting a stable overclock. All this for $13. Genius.

Stop giving such terrible advice.

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The 2100 is locked though. You're stuck at whatever the clock speed is.
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The 2100 is locked though. You're stuck at whatever the clock speed is.
It's locked in at a speed faster than a 4.0ghz Phenom II.
    
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And where the hell are the other variables for these tests?
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And where the hell are the other variables for these tests?
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No, you'd be looking at around 2.63-2.67GHz at most out of that, assuming you can even reach 105-107MHz BCLK.

Unfortunately 1155's BCLK is really tied down. I can't even POST past 105.5MHz on mine.

Honestly, those extremely cheap Sandy Bridge chips are really only good for a budget setup, to step into a K series chip later (or a server / HTPC build).

If you want a better performing CPU, you'll need the i3 2100 with a P67 / Z68 board. That chip would do around 3.25GHz or so, and it'll beat the AMD quads at 4GHz in gaming.

Plus you'd be set for a 2500k later if you wanted (or the next gen chips).

Or you can also step into a cheap AMD build...but the i3 2100 is a far superior chip honestly.
Source.
There's your variables.
    
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Does every budget build thread have to turn into an Intel vs AMD thread? It's getting a little out of hand. If the build is for a friend, I imagine he has no knowledge on computers if he is asking for someone else to build it for him? Hence overclocking potential might be pointless if he never uses it. That being said, 4 real cores would come in handy for games that utilize all 4 cores.

p.s. most games will be limited by the low budget GPU anyways, So if you have a favorite brand go for that one, since either will suit him well.

food for thought, benchmarks showing an i7 vs 965 BE

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/.../13498?start=2

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Pretty sure the Phenom option will be cheaper anyways.
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Does every budget build thread have to turn into an Intel vs AMD thread? It's getting a little out of hand. If the build is for a friend, I imagine he has no knowledge on computers if he is asking for someone else to build it for him? Hence overclocking potential might be pointless if he never uses it. That being said, 4 real cores would come in handy for games that utilize all 4 cores.

p.s. most games will be limited by the low budget GPU anyways, So if you have a favorite brand go for that one, since either will suit him well.

food for thought, benchmarks showing an i7 vs 965 BE

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/.../13498?start=2

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The link shows the 965 beating the 2600K. Something is wrong here (or beta being bad).
    
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Basically you guys are recommending him buy a CPU and motherboard setup that he will have to overclock to 4.0ghz just to match the performance of the i3. To do that, not only would you need to buy a aftermarket cooler (not free) but you would be drawing 3-4 times the power of the i3 at load. The huge power differential also translates to much more heat produced by the Phenom.

On top of all this, he would have to go through the time and hassle of getting a stable overclock. All this for $13. Genius.

Stop giving such terrible advice.
Lets be clear; I didn't recommend anything.
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