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can you tell if they've been photoshopped?
or if they've been scaled down from a DSLR or another camera?
A dSLRs image sensor is very large compared to the tiny sensors that are put in phones. If you look closely at the photos, you can see the image is very soft and the image processing smoothed out a lot of detail to compensate for the large number of pixels. The noise is also quite high, but again it's a phone, and it should be viewed as such. I'd use it for some nice 4x6s and that's about it. I'm a picky photog!
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A dSLRs image sensor is very large compared to the tiny sensors that are put in phones. If you look closely at the photos, you can see the image is very soft and the image processing smoothed out a lot of detail to compensate for the large number of pixels. The noise is also quite high, but again it's a phone, and it should be viewed as such. I'd use it for some nice 4x6s and that's about it. I'm a picky photog!
From what Apple said in the Keynote it sounded like they put a fair bit of effort into it. I'm no expert but perhaps the softness comes from Apple using HDR?

They say they've added a fifth lens, a larger aperture, an infrared filter, a DSLR quality ISP in the A5, and a better backside illumination sensor.

Here's the info page on the camera, tell me what you make of it: http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/camera.html
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From what Apple said in the Keynote it sounded like they put a fair bit of effort into it. I'm no expert but perhaps the softness comes from Apple using HDR?

They say they've added a fifth lens, a larger aperture, an infrared filter, a DSLR quality ISP in the A5, and a better backside illumination sensor.

Here's the info page on the camera, tell me what you make of it: http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/camera.html
Softness is due to the lens, aperture and image processing. You'll notice softness around the edges due to the limits of the lens design. HDR is achieved by taking multiply exposures from different levels and combining them into a single image. Unless this phone can bracket 3 shots and combine them together, it's not HDR.

I'm not saying it's a piece of crap or hating on it. I'm just stating from a photographer's point of view, it has it's limitations, and it's uses. A larger aperture also results in softer images. Stopping down the aperture will result in sharper images.

Edit: It appears it takes actual HDR images. I'd like to know how long it takes to process the three images into the one final image.

dSLR quality image processor is very ambiguous. It's marketing hype.

Larger aperture is great for letting lots of light in so the user doesn't need to lower the shutter speed/raise ISO. This is a good thing at night, but during the day, the ISO should be set to base and Aperture set around F/8 (I'm making an example from what several dSLRs shoot best at).

I would personally love to have a camera of that quality and compactness with me at all times. After all, it's the camera that's with you takes the best pictures, the other camera is at home. Carrying around a big bulky dSLR all day is tiresome.
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Softness is due to the lens and image processing. You'll notice softness around the edges due to the limits of the lens design. HDR is achieved by taking multiply exposures from different levels and combining them into a single image. Unless this phone can bracket 3 shots and combine them together, it's not HDR.

I'm not saying it's a piece of crap or hating on it. I'm just stating from a photographer's point of view, it has it's limitations, and it's uses. A larger aperture also results in softer images. Stopping down the aperture will result in sharper images.
That's what the iPhone 4 and 4S does. They take three photos and combine them into one photo, and they keep the original as well. So, could that be the cause? It's detailed in the link I posted.
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Softness is due to the lens, aperture and image processing. You'll notice softness around the edges due to the limits of the lens design. HDR is achieved by taking multiply exposures from different levels and combining them into a single image. Unless this phone can bracket 3 shots and combine them together, it's not HDR.

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Edit: It appears it takes actual HDR images. I'd like to know how long it takes to process the three images into the one final image.

dSLR quality image processor is very ambiguous. It's marketing hype.

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I would personally love to have a camera of that quality and compactness with me at all times. After all, it's the camera that's with you takes the best pictures, the other camera is at home. Carrying around a big bulky dSLR all day is tiresome.
The Keynote said it can take a photo in 1.1 seconds, and 0.5 seconds each time after that.
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Nice pics....better than what my incredible can do that's for sure. Nowadays....my phone just isn't as incredible as it used to be
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Not bad for a phone if i'm honest. Low light performance will still suck big ones though.
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Not bad for a phone if i'm honest. Low light performance will still suck big ones though.
They claim it performs very well in low light, here's a photo (scroll down a little) although it's hardly an ideal size to look at properly. Will be cool to see Anandtech's review of this.
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I think the criticism on noise reduction (softness) or noise in general seems a bit misplaced when these kinds of photos are basically for FB/Twitter/etc.

Nobody's seriously going to be using their iPhones for prints.
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Is it just me, or does there seem to be the outline of a much larger lens...

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