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FYI: The same is true with music, video, and books. Yet, Fair Use says we are allowed to transfer them.


This ruling allows companies to place in block and press charges for resale of software. That's a big deal since it is now in black and white that they are allowed to do so.
I was curious about books, so I looked at a couple for restrictions. These are "hard" books and not ebooks. In both cases the following is written:

"{Book Name} {copyright date} All rights reserved. No part of this book may be used or reproduced in any manner whatsoever without written permission except in the case of brief quotations embodied in critical articles and reviews. For information, address {publisher at address}"

There is no restriction to resale. This makes sense to me because most people will not take a hard copy or paperback and photocopy every page so that they can obtain a copy.

I wonder if cd's have similar? Can't check now. Off to vote in our provincial election.
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No that's not what I'm saying since what I'm saying is purchasing a good not a ticket for a service.

But to go along with what you're saying, yes you should be able to do that however the person that you sell it to doesn't necessarily need to receive your remaining time as that is subject to the company that did the initial sale if they want to honor your resale or not. Not for some legislation to tell you you cannot sell something that belongs to you physically.
This is what I am wondering. I get a physical something cars, books, etc. Those are acknowledged physical ownership. I don't think I have ever purchased a game and that includes carts that didn't strictly limit my rights in a license disclaimer.
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Someone may own the disk, but they don't own the ip on the disk. Whether or not you agree with my statement is irrelevant. You may own the medium, but you are only licensed to use the media. The courts have decided this, and unfortunatley, their opinion is now law, whether you like it or not. (Unless you don't live in the US where this decision was rendered)
The issue with your arguement is that Fair Use predates this by almost 100 years. The law has said (repeatedly) that we are free to sell the copy of the media.
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The issue with your arguement is that Fair Use predates this by almost 100 years. The law has said (repeatedly) that we are free to sell the copy of the media.
I am not arguing anything. I am simply stating the facts according to the result of the Supreme Court decision(technically not a ruling, only that it will not hear an appeal from a lower court). The "opinion" of Fair Use in licensed software is moot. Fair use may have been a possibility before. But the Supreme Court decision changes that now for any ip which is sold as a license for use. Whether or not any of us likes it, the Fair Use provision no longer applies to software. The highest court has ruled.
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I am not arguing anything. I am simply stating the facts according to the result of the Supreme Court decision(technically not a ruling, only that it will not hear an appeal from a lower court). The "opinion" of Fair Use in licensed software is moot. Fair use may have been a possibility before. But the Supreme Court decision changes that now for any ip which is sold as a license for use. Whether or not any of us likes it, the Fair Use provision no longer applies to software. The highest court has ruled.
I agree.... now the issue is that could a book company can place a EULA seal on their books? If you break the seal, you have agreed not to resell this book.
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So you are saying that when I buy a ticket to Cedar Point, ride the rides, ogle the chicks, eat a samich and leave I should be allowed to sell the unused portion of my full days admission?
Bad example, in this example Cedar Point is not something you possess or own.

I realize I'm setting myself up for the "but you don't own your software, you license it" spiel. For anyone considering that response, save your breath, I don't care.
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I agree.... now the issue is that could a book company can place a EULA seal on their books? If you break the seal, you have agreed not to resell this book.
I get all my books from the library anyways.

Though that begs the question (like the recent XKCD comic), what is DRM and EULAs and such going to do to libraries and such institutes.
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Pretty bad news for anyone who isnt a greedy multi millionaire who owns a corporation. A lot of the 'games' that come out now are too bad for me to even consider buying in the first place. I haven't pirated in a long time and am glad to say I haven't, but all these rules and regulations are becoming rather ridiculous. Maybe it is time to start spending less money on games and saving that money for the very few good games that come out every few years. Then I will have leftover money for beer.
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For the sake of me not getting infractions, I will say one thing, and one thing only.

I told you so. Been saying this for years, had people call me crazy for years, ITS TIME TO WAKE UP PEOPLE TYRANNY IS HERE. WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR YOU TO MAKE A STAND BEFORE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO STAND UP FOR?!?!
So what are you doing about it from your keyboard?
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