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Well specifically from my keyboard, I organize events. Outside of the keyboard attend the events that I organized ie: rallies/protests/meetups.

And what would you be doing exactly other then trying to attack/belittle me?
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I didn't sell my Shadow Warrior to my friend.
He got it as a gift.
Then I got a gift from him containing money.
I guess we both had gifts for each other.
But seriously, I sold Shadow Warrior to him for $3.
He got away cheap but I knew he wanted the game so bad and I already played it through for nostalgia's sake before parting with it.
It's not like 3DRealms lost a sale because the only reason he wanted it was because it was sitting there in my shelf like a golden piece right beside my Baldur's Gate Master pack and Shogo Mobile Armor Division.
Both are in gigantic packages.
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I was at the oral arguments for Golan V. Holder the other day, and quite a few of the justices were concerned about Congress's taking foreign works out of the public domain and be granting copyright protection. Don't assume that everything that happens is part of a takeover by corporations. They certainly have gained far too much power, but whether or not this is such a case is debatable.

Here are some things you guys should know:
1) The supreme court receives roughly 9000 writs (petitions) of certiorari every year. Of those thousand, between 90-110 will be granted.
2) Unless the government is infringing on fundamental rights or its an issue of extreme national importance, the court will typically only take the petition if there's a split amongst the federal courts of appeal. This means that if you don't live in the 9th circuit, you may still be ok.
3) Congress is better suited to fix this than the Court, for a number of reasons.
4) A denial of a writ does not equal an affirmation of a lower court decision.
5) They are not eroding the first sale doctrine because the first sale doctrine has never been held to apply to licenses.
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This could seriously impact Craigslist and eBay, they should be up in arms about this.
 
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I bought it, it's now mine. I do what I want with my own property.
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Society will only become more reliant on intellectual property, this sets a dangerous precedent for the future.
meh, i guess all games will have to be activated online then.
and they wonder about people pirating the games..
post #96 of 117
Understandable. They shouldn't allow resell on media, to be honest. It loses them money. Once you watch a movie, play a game, read a book, etc... it is done for you. Selling it to someone else gives them no reason to buy it from the producer of the content. They could just up the prices for the games if you really want used games so bad. Such as cars, I'm pretty sure manufacturers calculate in how much they lose by used sales, so they up their new-sale prices. So I've been told, and assume.
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5) They are not eroding the first sale doctrine because the first sale doctrine has never been held to apply to licenses.
Thanks for clearing it up!

Would it be concievable if some company decided to place a tamper seal with an EULA on a book or CD? The EULA defines the usage of the media as a license?

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Understandable. They shouldn't allow resell on media, to be honest. It loses them money. Once you watch a movie, play a game, read a book, etc... it is done for you.
How about a book or movie that you enjoy repeatedly?
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Those of us selling a few games on craigslist won't be affected by this law. eBay, Gamestop and the like will be, for sure. This will kill literally tens of thousands of listings on eBay. I have never sold any of my PC games. I have sold about 80 console games over the years though, lol.

I truly believe these people who push for these types of laws are so far out of touch with society. They just can't seem to understand how this hurts them more than helps them. Oh well, it will keep feeding their beliefs that piracy is the enemy even though they are their own worst enemy.
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Also under section 109(b) of the copyright code, congress has said that software cannot be rented or loaned out by stores on a 0short term basis (effectively limiting the application of the first sale doctrine even without a license scheme). The language and findings of the statute though do not necessarily imply video games since they speak of software as utilitarian in nature.

Edit: I originally said it prohibited libraries but that's not correct as nonprofit libraries can.

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Would it be concievable if some company decided to place a tamper seal with an EULA on a book or CD? The EULA defines the usage of the media as a license?
Books and music. hrm. See first sale doctrine arises out of a lack of contractual privity between the owner of the copyright and the owner of the copy. I'll take a look and respond in a bit.
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Basically our court systems/government has manipulated every law on the books in some way so that you have no rights to anything with whatever you wish to purchase. Be it a physical item like a book or 'intellectual property' like software.

You have no rights, you never did and if we ever gave you any by mistake we will now rescind all of them.

*edit This is now my signature, lol ^
Edited by tout - 10/7/11 at 9:50am
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