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Originally Posted by windfire;15193692 
The length of a reference GTX570 is 10.5'' (267/268mm).

From MSI site, N570GTX-M2D12D5 is 268mm and so it should be reference PCB.

However from Asus site, ENGTX570/2DI/1280MD5 is 11''.
So, I would suspect it is the Asus card that is using non reference PCB.

Check against the pic below of a reference GTX570 PCB.

msi one looks to have gtx 470 pcb,

http://www.koolance.com/technical/video_card_pcb_layouts/pcb_nvidia_geforce_gtx470_reference.jpg

is this bad/should i return?
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Originally Posted by skuzzzzy;15194428 
msi one looks to have gtx 470 pcb,

http://www.koolance.com/technical/video_card_pcb_layouts/pcb_nvidia_geforce_gtx470_reference.jpg

is this bad/should i return?

Can you take a pic of the back of your MSI card?

GTX470's reference PCB is 9.5'' long. Are you sure it is not the GTX480 PCB (10.5'' long)? Use the length and the position of the openings (red oval in pics) to check.

Perhaps you can ask MSI rep Alex here:-
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/919567-ask-me-anything-msi-nvidia-related.html
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if the card performs fine, why return it, you said it is pretty cool already
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Originally Posted by windfire;15195575 
Can you take a pic of the back of your MSI card?

GTX470's reference PCB is 9.5'' long. Are you sure it is not the GTX480 PCB (10.5'' long)? Use the length and the position of the openings (red oval in pics) to check.

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http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7529/sam3285.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6185/sam3286.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7445/sam3287m.jpg
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if the card performs fine, why return it, you said it is pretty cool already

im just making sure its not lesser quality parts that wont last as long or have any problems sling with my other card.
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pretty sure the vapor chamber is only on the 580. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah, it is on the 570 too, but the vapor chamber is a joke anyway.
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you dun got a 570 on a 470 PCB man
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Originally Posted by skuzzzzy;15195740 
im just making sure its not lesser quality parts that wont last as long or have any problems sling with my other card.

470 PCB was never considered low quality.

Cheaper to produce, likely.

Lower quality, nope.
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That definitely looks like a GTX470 based PCB to me.

Even though the MSI card has lower idle temp than the Asus', this does not mean it has better cooling design. Its lower idle temp could be because:-
a. it is the 'bottom' card and so its air intake is less restricted than the Asus
b. its stock voltage is slightly lower (use Afterburner to check the voltages of the 2 cards to confirm/disprove this)

And, how about load temp of the 2 cards?

If you are not going to overclock the MSI, I suppose it does not matter much (about the quality of the components used).

However, if you do plan to overclock, then whether this GTX470 based PCB will offer better, the same or worse overclocking is still an unknown. Of particular concern is the number of phases for the VRM. Reference GTX570 has 4+2 and does anyone remember that for the GTX470?

(On a side note, Inno3D has one of their GTX570s (ie GTX570 Game Pack edition) using the PCB of the GTX480. The advantage is to use the 6+2 VRM for improved stability for overclocking. http://www.ocqq.com/?view-40940/)
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Originally Posted by windfire;15195941 
That definitely looks like a GTX470 based PCB to me.

Even though the MSI card has lower idle temp than the Asus', this does not mean it has better cooling design. Its lower idle temp could be because:-
a. it is the 'bottom' card and so its air intake is less restricted than the Asus
b. its stock voltage is slightly lower (use Afterburner to check the voltages of the 2 cards to confirm/disprove this)

And, how about load temp of the 2 cards?

If you are not going to overclock the MSI, I suppose it does not matter much (about the quality of the components used).

However, if you do plan to overclock, then whether this GTX470 based PCB will offer better, the same or worse overclocking is still an unknown. Of particular concern is the number of phases for the VRM. Reference GTX570 has 4+2 and does anyone remember that for the GTX470?

(On a side note, Inno3D has one of their GTX570s (ie GTX570 Game Pack edition) using the PCB of the GTX480. The advantage is to use the 6+2 VRM for improved stability for overclocking. http://www.ocqq.com/?view-40940/)

even when asus was only card it idled 36-38c, msi is idling at 33-35c.
max so far on asus is 70c, max so far on msi is 61c.

.913 if v on the asus, doesnt let me check voltage on msi.
Edited by skuzzzzy - 10/5/11 at 8:23pm
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