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60 French net users could have their connection turned off for a month after ignoring letters telling them to stop infringing copyright.

They are the first to reach the end of the controversial process France operates as a way to tackle pirates.

About 650,000 people have received one warning and a further 44,000 are on their second warning.

The statistics were revealed in the annual report from the French agency that runs the scheme.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15198093
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Sad all I can think about is the Robin Williams skit from "Live from Broadway" when he goes into his French accent and starts talking smack.

Wish I could post but if I remember the skit right it wasn't "PG"
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The funny thing is there will be even more controversy about this ****ty law because most of these 60 people are actually accused (and probably guilty of) not securing access to their home connection.

One of them actually is a 54 years old teacher who initially got accused of downloading copyrighted music on 3 separate occasions, all 3 times he was actually teaching classes...
iirc the 3 songs were from The Black Eyed Peas, David Guetta and Ke$ha, turns out it was someone using his id to login on a wifi hotspot 500km away from where he physically was...

Way to go France
Edited by eXe.Lilith - 10/6/11 at 7:16am
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So far, she said, the agency could not pursue those people because the law only requires it to monitor peer-to-peer services.
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The letters are intended to educate users rather than punish them, the government has said.
I don't really see anything wrong with this. You get caught sharing and stealing copyrighted work, you get warned, you continue doing it, you get fined. The only issue I see is when people get wrongly accused, what protections are afforded them?

That isn't really addressed in this article.

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The funny thing is there will be even more controversy about this law because most of these 60 people are actually accused (and probably guilty of) not securing access to their home connection
Get warned that someone is using your connection, secure it?
    
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I don't really see anything wrong with this. You get caught sharing and stealing copyrighted work, you get warned, you continue doing it, you get fined. The only issue I see is when people get wrongly accused, what protections are afforded them?

That isn't really addressed in this article.

Get warned that someone is using your connection, secure it?
My understanding is that you can "appeal" which, many did and actually won but, a majority actually moved to torrenting.

Personally, I'm not against the law as I believe we should have the same law here...But, leaving your connection open is just begging for problems to begin with...If you don't secure your internet, that's really your problem.
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Get warned that someone is using your connection, secure it?
That's the thing, these people weren't.

There is one and only one template for the letter this agency sends, and all it says is basically "We've detected you've violated the law by downloading copyrighted material on the <insert day here>. Copyright infringement is punished by the law... <insert max fine and max jail time you can get here>...
This is your <insert warning number here> warning, on the 3rd you will face prosecution. Have a nice day"


Edit: Oh and the funny part? They don't have to prove you're guilty, you're the one who have to prove you're innocent (french law is "innocent until proven guilty", this is the only exception) by installing monitoring software on your computer so that some guy somewhere can remotely check if you are indeed innocent, but the thing is, this software they want you to install on your computer allows them to see absolutely every single document that is on your computer, and thus violates french privacy laws (in France only the police has the right to check the content of your hard drive, and then again they have to have a warrant to first seize your hardware, then another one signed by a special judge that allows them to rifle through your files).
Hence all the controversy around here about this law.
Another reason for the controversy would be the fact the "real" pirates (read: the people who download hundreds of gigs of copyrighted content every month) are not targeted by this law, only the small fishes are...

Also, the big "thing" right now in France is that most ISP run a wifi hotspot service that is enabled by default on all the routers they lend you as part of the contract you sign with them, and to log in on any of the hotspots, you only need to have the login/pass of any person who has a contract with that specific ISP (i.e. when you're 800km from your home you can still access the web by using your login and pass on somebody else's router, or at least that's the way they saw it when they designed it).
There are 2 problems with these services:

1) If you store your login/pass anywhere or write them down or w/e and somebody retrieves it, you're the one who will get prosecuted if that person violates the law.
2) The manuals that come with the routers the french ISP lend you does not detail the procedure to properly configurate the routers themselves, instead you're stuck with some portal software that on which you enter your login and pass which then allows you to access the internet.
And even though the manuals give you the basics on how to set up your router so you don't have to use this portal, it doesn't tell you a thing as to how implement basic security (router firewall isn't filtering anything by default, mac address filtering is disabled by default, the list of security holes is too long to list here but I'm sure you get the idea).
And then to get back on the hotspot topic, there's not even a single line to tell you where to go and what to do to disable it. And as it turns out, not even 1% of the french people seem to have the knowledge to disable it since it's the amount of people who have it disabled, these stats coming from the ISP themselves.

By now I'm sure you can see the obvious flaws in this particular law and understand why there is so much controversy around it. Especially among the young people since one of its articles replaces an older law which allowed french people to download any material off the internet as long as it wasn't copyrighted in France (which most people used to download mangas and tv shows as soon as they were broadcasted in their country of origin instead of having to wait for 6 months to get it in french)
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Almost the exact same 'law' just got passed in New Zealand, you get 3 strikes, on the third strike you get a fine up to $15,000 the first time, and I think any strike after that they cancel your connection. I've had to subscribe to a VPN because of it -.-
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That's the thing, these people weren't.
Well if they aren't actually being educated, and are just being threatened, then the law makers are lying through their teeth by positing it as a system that will educate people. I probably spoke too soon in support of the law. I was more in support of the concept, and don't doubt that it is being executed in a way different than the concept on paper.

If the government would just be honest and tell people how and why they are being targeted, with information regarding how to secure your network and general education on the matter I would be in support of the method. If they aren't providing a public service while trying to protect copyrights, then they are just bullying people in my mind.
    
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Well if they aren't actually being educated, and are just being threatened, then the law makers are lying through their teeth by positing it as a system that will educate people. I probably spoke too soon in support of the law. I was more in support of the concept, and don't doubt that it is being executed in a way different than the concept on paper.

If the government would just be honest and tell people how and why they are being targeted, with information regarding how to secure your network and general education on the matter I would be in support of the method. If they aren't providing a public service while trying to protect copyrights, then they are just bullying people in my mind.
Oh I agree, the concept in itself was fine when it was first discussed in our senate but, lobbying helping, it ended up in a law that is scarsely applied, hurts only the small fishes, is such a joke that it got amended quite a few times already and which 3 different levels of punishment are as follows:

1) no internet for 1 month
2) your internet connection is blocked but you can't break the contract thus you still have to pay your ISP (coz you know ISPs don't make enough money...)
3) you are prohibited from ever subscribing to any french ISP (which is against so many french laws on freedom of will, freedom of culture, and whatnot that it's completely bs), but you can still subscribe to any french ISP subsidiary in a neighbouring country and have your connection routed to your home in France...

So basically it's become a useless law
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