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Looks like the only thing going for BD is the price vs performance (which is what AMD target anyway). Single threaded performance is poor, clock for clock is a step backwards but ultimately with 8 "cores" it manages to perform ok in multithreaded applications (as one would expect).

Overall, I'm not very impressed. Released 9 months after SB and still doesn't surpass the 2600K. Not to mention in 6 weeks or so SB-E is dropping.

So basically, most of our speculation was correct. The reason BD chips are cheap is because AMD knew they didn't have the performance. So they decided to flog them off cheap and hope they sell like hotcakes. Smart business move and a win for consumers, but ultimately, this doesn't get AMD any closer to Intel. SB-E in 6 weeks, Ivy within the next 6-8 months. Intel are still far superior (as every rational, non-AMD fanboi knows).

I know BD rev 2 is supposed to be released around same time as Ivy but based on these results, I can't really see it catching up.
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post #352 of 448
If these are accurate why is anyone complaining? You'll be able to use your current motherboard or get a motherboard that will work with the next socket...that's money in your pocket. Annnnd according to leaks, it will be priced according to performance.

Blah blah blah "single core performance" blah blah blah. What uses just one thread anymore? Quit *****ing about things that make sense, it's childish.
Edited by Trogdor - 10/7/11 at 1:55am
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This is pretty much what we were all expecting, beating i5 2500k but just coming short of 2600k. Could be better, but well done AMD. Bring on Vishera.:
    
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wich next socket???
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Originally Posted by Jagged_Steel View Post
AMD's last generation CPUs run games as good or better than Intel's current generation chips. AMD's next generation chips will do even better. Simple fact.
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If these are accurate why is anyone complaining? You'll be able to use your current motherboard or get a motherboard that will work with the next socket...that's money in your pocket. Annnnd according to leaks, it will be priced according to performance.

Blah blah blah "single core performance" blah blah blah. What uses just one thread anymore? Quit *****ing about things that make sense, it's childish.
Quite a large percentage of software applications are still single threaded. So single thread performance is very much relevant. As I said, its good price vs performance, as AMD usually are.

But ultimately, when you release a product 9 months after the competition and fail to surpass them, one has to be left wondering what AMD have been doing the past 2-3yrs that BD has been in development. Especially when said competition is releasing an even better and faster product a month after BD releases.

So it is fair for people to be dissapointed. Bang for buck is not good enough for us consumers. We need the chip makers to push eachother, that way we get true innovation and faster progress in chip development. Atm, Intel can just sit there and count their stacks of money, afterall, they have an 81.8% market share and BD isn't going to win many over with their average performance. BD needed to be something spectacular for the consumers sake. Sadly, its 9 month behind SB and only performs between the 2500k and 2600k. Its just not good enough.

That is the great thing about GPU's atm. Both AMD and Nvidia are making some great products. Which is pushing them to continue refining and innovating in order to beat the competition. Where as Intel can just sit there all cocky knowing they are making a mockery of AMD.

Its like the car industry. Most of us can't afford a Mercedes S class, Audi A8, BMW 7 series, Maybach etc. But without those manufacturers pushing eachother at the top level, most of the technology that we enjoy in standard cars today, would have never even been created (or certainly a lot slower than it has). Basically, anything new in a Mercedes S class will be pretty much standard on your "run of the mill" car within 10-15yrs. Most of the safety features in a modern car, the S Class (or equivalent from the competition) had them first. So AMD really does need to lift their game, this way everyone will get the benefits.
Edited by Vengeance47 - 10/7/11 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post
It's slightly faster than the 2500K in heavily multithreaded applications, but much slower in single-threaded performance.

Bulldozer needs twice as many cores and a higher clock speed to slightly beat a 2500K in multithreaded performance. But it's still about 50% slower in single threaded performance.


Cinebench 10 single-threaded score:
FX8150: 4074
Nehalem i7 965: ~4900
2500K/2600K: ~5800

Multi-threaded:
FX8150: 20615
2500k: ~18615

i7 965: ~19600
2600k: ~22615
Except for the tiny detail that we dont even know if this review is legit.. Yeah, sure.
    
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Blah blah blah "single core performance" blah blah blah. What uses just one thread anymore? Quit *****ing about things that make sense, it's childish.
Performance per core is still very important for many things. Try to run PCSX2 or dolphin emulator on CPU that has poor performance per core, it will perform poorly even if you are using 100 core CPU .
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thread = making me sad

(ALSO definitely not a fan boy either direction buuuuut....)

Makes me wish I would've picked up a SB months ago
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AMD's last generation CPUs run games as good or better than Intel's current generation chips. AMD's next generation chips will do even better. Simple fact.

Intel does better at benchmarks, but I don't play benchmarks.
I own a *LAST* Generation Intel and a 965 BE. I can't tell if you're trolling or if you've just never used both. I can make FRAPs runs with both; depending on what I do with each(during the run), I can make either one shine. (example, stand still indoors with the PhII and firefight with the i5, or the reverse) You can't depend on silly things like those graphs you pointed out. They're easily skewed and it's impossible to get them the same each time.

There's no hope for the 965 BE to keep up with my little 760 when it comes to gaming. Believe me. I play with both every single day. SB is considerably faster still. It also does it at ~50 watts less power.

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Blah blah blah "single core performance" blah blah blah. What uses just one thread anymore? Quit *****ing about things that make sense, it's childish.
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Performance per core is still very important for many things. Try to run PCSX2 or dolphin emulator on CPU that has poor performance per core, it will perform poorly even if you are using 100 core CPU .
Everyone uses programs that just use one thread. Or 2-3 threads. Very few programs use 6-8 cores strongly. Quit *your* whining. Moar cores do not make moar performance in things that cannot use more than 2-3 threads.

Also: To AMDs marketing, and their fanboys, toldyaso. (Edited before a Mod came along and deleted that last bit - what I mean is that the CPU should have been marketing as what it is - a 4 core, 8 thread CPU. It would have shined. Instead it looks like a turd.)

Everyone should also keep in mind they're comparing this thing with a last generation CPU - and it's only clocked at 3.2ghz. Imagine how much faster core for core a SB is. At this rate it can't even keep up with my slightly overclocked 760 (3.55ghz).
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