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Originally Posted by Heavy MG View Post
It's Intel,so it must be ok for them to bribe the OEM's,and pay companies to not use AMD processors. Inb4thatisoldsoIntelmusn'tdothatanymore.


Why would AMD have "under the table deals"?

You're forgetting AMD came up with the whole 64 bit idea,Intel just took it as if it were theirs. AMD will also be the first to have a 8 core desktop CPU. Your "its not future proof so it is crap!" nonsense is moot because processor technology advances anyway.
At the moment your 4Ghz i7 is an improvement over a fake leak or if real,a broken ES FX CPU. The same goes for bashing the competition over "leaked" crap and filling OCN with speculation how much BD is going to suck.
Lol,us fanboys?
We should all take a step back, and take a deep breath here.

Heavy, I own a 1090T. I am not pro-Intel at all. I just want the best gaming chip to play BF3, CS:Global Offensive, and Civ5. So I have been waiting and waiting and waiting to upgrade to either a 2600k or BD, depending on the benches. And I could afford to wait because 2 of those 3 games are not out yet. But now they're getting close to release, and I want to upgrade.

Did anyone notice the date on that article? It's only a day or so old!

It's from a legitimate review site. It's not an "enthusiast" site, so you're not going to see every single benchmark.

However, I seriously doubt this is an ES sample. This is most likely a review using the press kit that was sent out.

These results are most likely what the final retail version is going to be like.

For those of you that follow the BD Blog thread, how many of you have noticed that JF-AMD is not really refuting these results? Doesn't that speak volumes in your mind?

The only thing he's really come out and said is (paraphrasing), "Well, if you want single threaded performance, shouldn't you be testing the 4 core BD?"

Not sure what the diff would be, except perhaps the stock and OC clocks may be higher due to less cores.
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We should all take a step back, and take a deep breath here.

Heavy, I own a 1090T. I am not pro-Intel at all. I just want the best gaming chip to play BF3, CS:Global Offensive, and Civ5. So I have been waiting and waiting and waiting to upgrade to either a 2600k or BD, depending on the benches. And I could afford to wait because 2 of those 3 games are not out yet. But now they're getting close to release, and I want to upgrade.

Did anyone notice the date on that article? It's only a day or so old!

It's from a legitimate review site. It's not an "enthusiast" site, so you're not going to see every single benchmark.

However, I seriously doubt this is an ES sample. This is most likely a review using the press kit that was sent out.

These results are most likely what the final retail version is going to be like.

For those of you that follow the BD Blog thread, how many of you have noticed that JF-AMD is not really refuting these results? Doesn't that speak volumes in your mind?

The only thing he's really come out and said is (paraphrasing), "Well, if you want single threaded performance, shouldn't you be testing the 4 core BD?"

Not sure what the diff would be, except perhaps the stock and OC clocks may be higher due to less cores.

but when you do a review you expect people to take you serious .. and for that you display your work out there so that other people can review it at a later time and come to the same conclusion ...


helping your credibility .. theres no way around that ... and that dutch article didnt have much besides a couple lines saying this and that ... all pre nda


so it leaves multiples question in the air and that is why this thread is in the rumors section i supose
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Quite a large percentage of software applications are still single threaded. So single thread performance is very much relevant. As I said, its good price vs performance, as AMD usually are.
But when you think real world even an OS is threaded, almost anything you do will benefit from more cores these days, how much benefit... we'll see soon. But also know that these benches don't take into consideration that BD can turbo in 2 unique ways. One is that it can turbo a single core in each module to go to the highest frequency it will reach on its own, and the other is to push all 8 "cores" though not as high... So AMD seems to have both bases covered, we just need to see how well it works IRL.

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ut ultimately, when you release a product 9 months after the competition and fail to surpass them, one has to be left wondering what AMD have been doing the past 2-3yrs that BD has been in development. Especially when said competition is releasing an even better and faster product a month after BD releases.
Any1 can twist an argument in their favour. How about this... BD would have been releases a few months earlier had AMD not had issues with llano yields, so BD was meant to be a player in this game earlier, so why do people keep dumping this on "bad BD". Also, Intel has a much, much higher revenue and R&D budget, so you would think they would ALWAYS be able to beat AMD, no matter what. Yet look how things are looking. AMD looks like they will soon have a CPU ~2500K performance, and today everyone is like "OMG 2500K RULEZ it is godly" and when AMD is about to launch something with similar performance its "fail AMD". What a joke. If Intel were FAR ahead, (like SB vs Phenom II) you could say that, but AMD has effectively closed the gap now, and since they are poised to launch newer versions early in 2012 one could hope they will stay in the game.

So for Intel to be spending so much more than AMD in design and production, one would think that they would be equally as far ahead as AMD, this is not the case. So for money spent to performance produced, AMD is actually whipping Intel like its no tomorrow, but no1 mentions this. Again, its all about how you word your argument. What you and I said are both pretty much true yet tell a strickingly different story. So lets be open-minded and think of every possibility and not just one...

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So it is fair for people to be dissapointed. Bang for buck is not good enough for us consumers. We need the chip makers to push eachother, that way we get true innovation and faster progress in chip development. Atm, Intel can just sit there and count their stacks of money, afterall, they have an 81.8% market share and BD isn't going to win many over with their average performance. BD needed to be something spectacular for the consumers sake. Sadly, its 9 month behind SB and only performs between the 2500k and 2600k. Its just not good enough.
Intel basically broke AMD kneecaps years ago with their illegal bribe/threaten/mob/rebate business practices. Of coarse they are ahead and counting their money, and IMO they should be further ahead, so FAIL for Intel? lol kidding. AMD is innovating, and they usually out innovate Intel. Intel simply has the money to outpace AMD at every turn, and AMD is still a precence. One has to wonder what Intel is doing with all their wasted money if they spend much more than AMD and can only 'just' stay ahead... They must be counting their money more than doing work I suppose

BD IS good for consumers because AMD is finally being competitive. Intel and AMD fans alike should be cheering it on.

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That is the great thing about GPU's atm. Both AMD and Nvidia are making some great products. Which is pushing them to continue refining and innovating in order to beat the competition. Where as Intel can just sit there all cocky knowing they are making a mockery of AMD.
But Nvidia wasn't being a mob to cripple its competitors like Intel did. Theres a lot of differences in the situations here though I understand your point. But you should be criticizing Intel and not AMD. AMD has done nothing but put out great products while being under a very tight budget compared to Intel. Intel cheated and pulled every nasty trick to get ahead, and they can't seem to blow AMD out of the water. Again, its all about perspective.

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Its like the car industry. Most of us can't afford a Mercedes S class, Audi A8, BMW 7 series, Maybach etc. But without those manufacturers pushing eachother at the top level, most of the technology that we enjoy in standard cars today, would have never even been created (or certainly a lot slower than it has). Basically, anything new in a Mercedes S class will be pretty much standard on your "run of the mill" car within 10-15yrs. Most of the safety features in a modern car, the S Class (or equivalent from the competition) had them first. So AMD really does need to lift their game, this way everyone will get the benefits.
AMD brought us X64 and dual cores and now modules... Seems backwards from your car analogy. Kind of like Dodge helping pioneer things for the next Mercedes...

Anywho, lets all play nice.
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This is the worst arguement of all time though

If you opened your eyes you would realise that EVERY big corporation has shady dealings. And if you boycotted every single product released by those companies you basically wouldn't have anything you enjoy today. Its the most retarded arguement of all time. If big busniess didn't do some suspect "quiet" deals then the world wouldn't go round.

If you seriously think AMD don't have "under the table" deals then you're a fool
+1

Its funny how only amd fanboys use this crappy excuse all the time, Yet i bet they dont share the same feelings with the food they buy or the clothes they wear or the car they drive etc etc, list goes on.

_Dimwits_
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But when you think real world even an OS is threaded, almost anything you do will benefit from more cores these days, how much benefit... we'll see soon. But also know that these benches don't take into consideration that BD can turbo in 2 unique ways. One is that it can turbo a single core in each module to go to the highest frequency it will reach on its own, and the other is to push all 8 "cores" though not as high... So AMD seems to have both bases covered, we just need to see how well it works IRL.



Any1 can twist an argument in their favour. How about this... BD would have been releases a few months earlier had AMD not had issues with llano yields, so BD was meant to be a player in this game earlier, so why do people keep dumping this on "bad BD". Also, Intel has a much, much higher revenue and R&D budget, so you would think they would ALWAYS be able to beat AMD, no matter what. Yet look how things are looking. AMD looks like they will soon have a CPU ~2500K performance, and today everyone is like "OMG 2500K RULEZ it is godly" and when AMD is about to launch something with similar performance its "fail AMD". What a joke. If Intel were FAR ahead, (like SB vs Phenom II) you could say that, but AMD has effectively closed the gap now, and since they are poised to launch newer versions early in 2012 one could hope they will stay in the game.

So for Intel to be spending so much more than AMD in design and production, one would think that they would be equally as far ahead as AMD, this is not the case. So for money spent to performance produced, AMD is actually whipping Intel like its no tomorrow, but no1 mentions this. Again, its all about how you word your argument. What you and I said are both pretty much true yet tell a strickingly different story. So lets be open-minded and think of every possibility and not just one...



Intel basically broke AMD kneecaps years ago with their illegal bribe/threaten/mob/rebate business practices. Of coarse they are ahead and counting their money, and IMO they should be further ahead, so FAIL for Intel? lol kidding. AMD is innovating, and they usually out innovate Intel. Intel simply has the money to outpace AMD at every turn, and AMD is still a precence. One has to wonder what Intel is doing with all their wasted money if they spend much more than AMD and can only 'just' stay ahead... They must be counting their money more than doing work I suppose

BD IS good for consumers because AMD is finally being competitive. Intel and AMD fans alike should be cheering it on.



But Nvidia wasn't being a mob to cripple its competitors like Intel did. Theres a lot of differences in the situations here though I understand your point. But you should be criticizing Intel and not AMD. AMD has done nothing but put out great products while being under a very tight budget compared to Intel. Intel cheated and pulled every nasty trick to get ahead, and they can't seem to blow AMD out of the water. Again, its all about perspective.



AMD brought us X64 and dual cores and now modules... Seems backwards from your car analogy. Kind of like Dodge helping pioneer things for the next Mercedes...

Anywho, lets all play nice.
Such a waste of time If only you could understand the concept of "Business" each and every firm is out to make money and squash the competition to make MORE money and increase market share, Just because intel do this so well does not mean they are little red devils.

Share some hate to the oil industry who rip us off everyday and polute our planet and do many many back hand deals to squash eco fuel technology to keep up their world dominating monopoly They have world economies at its oyster yet you happily go about filling your car up everday,hardly intel now is it

If you could buy a great car or a crap car you wouldnt buy a crap car just because you felt sorry for the manufacturer jeeeeeeeeez
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+1

Its funny how only amd fanboys use this crappy excuse all the time, Yet i bet they dont share the same feelings with the food they buy or the clothes they wear or the car they drive etc etc, list goes on.

_Dimwits_
i can't speak for others, but i certainly do. i boycott a number of companies whose practices i disagree with, including Google, Pepsi co, IBM, MS, Sony, Bank of America, any company associated with the Council on Foreign Relations, etc etc.

i think it's good for us to be responsible for the money we spend and the people we support. it doesn't just become "ok" because corporations are distant and faceless and "everybody's doing it." when we give them our money we tacitly approve of their actions, facilitating their ability to continue to behave badly. i don't like to reward bad behaviour.

there is more to life than pleasure, and i think we should care where our money is going.

my .02.
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+1

Its funny how only amd fanboys use this crappy excuse all the time, Yet i bet they dont share the same feelings with the food they buy or the clothes they wear or the car they drive etc etc, list goes on.

_Dimwits_
Generalization FTL. Intel fanboys just can't pull their heads out of their arses long enough to realize that DESPITE all that Intel did to cheat and get ahead, they haven't gotten that far ahead performance wise. I think Intel fanboys needs to stop brushing legitimate arguments they have no way to counter with "lol AMD fanboys are funny, every corp is greedy" is a cop-out excuse that shows they have no value to bring to the conversation. If an Intel fanboy has nothing to bring to an AMD conversation and their here posting negative comments anyways, I gotta ask, you trollin? (not exactly directed at the quoted person, but more to "intel fanboys" in general who LOVE to come into AMD threads, start a flame war and go "AMD just mad lol, AMD fail" and think they are funny or contributing.)

Is it just me or are Intel fanboys far more vocal than AMD ones? Yet Intel ones are the first to throw out the fanboy remark while only posting "AMD fails" (makes me wonder how many posts some people have that contain nothing more than those 2 words, some people must have about 50+ added to their count for that alone...)
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have these been posted yet?
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lawl multi-thread app behind 2600k and gaming even behind i7-965.

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Such a waste of time If only you could understand the concept of "Business" each and every firm is out to make money and squash the competition to make MORE money and increase market share, Just because intel do this so well does not mean they are little red devils.

Share some hate to the oil industry who rip us off everyday and polute our planet and do many many back hand deals to squash eco fuel technology to keep up their world dominating monopoly They have world economies at its oyster yet you happily go about filling your car up everday,hardly intel now is it

If you could buy a great car or a crap car you wouldnt buy a crap car just because you felt sorry for the manufacturer jeeeeeeeeez
Your arguments have no sense to them. Illegally threatening OEMs to only sell your products, or to cripple competitors sales, or tell them "Sell X number of AMD units and we'll cut your supply, increase your prices and send a nice discounted shipment to your most direct competitor" is not "business"... It's mob-ish. Get your head out of Intels behind and start seeing with your own eyes.

Now lets go off and deflect my nonsensical rantings with talk of eveil oil companies... deflecting real argument because he doesn't have one... good job. PS> I don't own a car, I use public transit

I will buy a car from a manufacturer whom I can trust to compete rather than cripple to competition to win. A crappy car is still a crappy car even if the competition is banned...
Edited by Fuell - 10/7/11 at 7:34am
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