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No, why do you ask?

This day and age, I wouldn't suggest learning on film when tools are available to get the job done much more efficiently.

Although you can build a house with hand crank drills and manual saws, would you recommend someone do that when power tools are available?

Embrace technology....this is a computer forum after all.
nothing to do with embracing technology. its about learning the correct way of doing things before diving it. whats the point of all the power tools in the world if you dont know how to use the tools.

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^^ yeah, when I started out, I had to develop my own nagatives (luckily, school had access to the right chems) and enlarge them onto immulsion paper or whatever the glossy papaer was called. I don't remember

Digital... is just easy. You screw up? Try again! Just don't get lured into the sucker trap known as "auto." At least force yourself to always use M or one of the other modes, and learn about exposure, f values, etc.
but you learned about exposure and f stops from film. many people with dslr dont know what those mean.....
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Get a DSLR or SLR if you want to get into "photography" and not just "taking photos." You can do that with a smartphone.
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nothing to do with embracing technology. its about learning the correct way of doing things before diving it. whats the point of all the power tools in the world if you dont know how to use the tools.



but you learned about exposure and f stops from film. many people with dslr dont know what those mean.....
Please tell me what you can do with a film SLR that you cannot do with a DSLR or P&S with MANUAL controls.

I learned about exposure and f stops on a D40. I can tell you there are plenty of people who use a film SLR on auto and have no idea what those terms mean as well......my mom is one. As a teacher, I do know that the more immediate the feedback you receive, the better you learn. I'm not dismissing film, it is ONE way to learn, but not the most efficient. In my opinion, you should work your way UP to film, not the other way around. This is mainly because when shooting things with film, you have only that 1 exposure to get it right. Might as well practice with something you where you can hit the delete button without worrying about it.
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Thanks for the input everyone. While I respect those who used film before and still do so to learn the fundamentals, I don't intend on getting into photography that much. I do want to take good pictures, just not with film I have to develop or get someone else to develop. Read a lot since you suggested it, but it looks like too much of a learning curve to go with film.

Would prefer something small, but I'd rather get one camera for everything so after reading the suggestions and reviews these two seem to get a lot of looks:

and the . I know I can save $100 for the T2i, but again, would prefer to purchase one good camera.

So for a new guy who would someday want to go DSLR, which one? Thanks.

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Get a DSLR or SLR if you want to get into "photography" and not just "taking photos." You can do that with a smartphone.
Yeah, that's what I currently do and why i'm here to find a good camera.
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If your going to eventually go to a DSLR, then spend the money for a DSLR now. No use spending more money to step up later. You're not going to go wrong with older iterations of DSLRs. If it's been released in the past 5 years, you'll have all the functionality you need.
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Thanks for the input everyone. While I respect those who used film before and still do so to learn the fundamentals, I don't intend on getting into photography that much. I do want to take good pictures, just not with film I have to develop or get someone else to develop. Read a lot since you suggested it, but it looks like too much of a learning curve to go with film.

Would prefer something small, but I'd rather get one camera for everything so after reading the suggestions and reviews these two seem to get a lot of looks: Canon PowerShot S95 and the Canon Rebel T3i. I know I can save $100 for the T2i, but again, would prefer to purchase one good camera.

So for a new guy who would someday want to go DSLR, which one? Thanks.



Yeah, that's what I currently do and why i'm here to find a good camera.
You can look into the T3 instead of the T3I. I got mine from newegg for 549.99. Came with a case, 4gig memory card. Its 499 i just paid 50 for a 1yr accidental damage warranty.
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Please tell me what you can do with a film SLR that you cannot do with a DSLR or P&S with MANUAL controls.

I learned about exposure and f stops on a D40. I can tell you there are plenty of people who use a film SLR on auto and have no idea what those terms mean as well......my mom is one. As a teacher, I do know that the more immediate the feedback you receive, the better you learn. I'm not dismissing film, it is ONE way to learn, but not the most efficient. In my opinion, you should work your way UP to film, not the other way around. This is mainly because when shooting things with film, you have only that 1 exposure to get it right. Might as well practice with something you where you can hit the delete button without worrying about it.
aside from the difference in medium (huge difference in DR), there is nothing you cant do a decent dslr vs film. i shoot probably one of the most no frills dslr on the market, and i still rarely shoot full manual just cause i can shoot in aperture.

aside from the easy of just shooting in auto, i dont think when i shoot digital. just hold down the button and burst away. if i needed i have plenty of mp to crop on. you simple wont do that on film, cause film is expensive and post work on film is significantly more time consuming and difficult.

taking it back to our power tools analogy, it is like trying a power saw testing and testing until we learned how to cut properly vs. using a handsaw then switching to a power saw. both are valid ways of learning, just different approaches.

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Thanks for the input everyone. While I respect those who used film before and still do so to learn the fundamentals, I don't intend on getting into photography that much. I do want to take good pictures, just not with film I have to develop or get someone else to develop. Read a lot since you suggested it, but it looks like too much of a learning curve to go with film.

Would prefer something small, but I'd rather get one camera for everything so after reading the suggestions and reviews these two seem to get a lot of looks: Canon PowerShot S95 and the Canon Rebel T3i. I know I can save $100 for the T2i, but again, would prefer to purchase one good camera.

So for a new guy who would someday want to go DSLR, which one? Thanks.



Yeah, that's what I currently do and why i'm here to find a good camera.
the t3 and t2i is basically the same camera. if you want to purchase the something significantly better you need to step it up to a 7d. even the 60d is nothing more then a slightly bigger and faster t2i.....
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There is no reall good reason to spend the extra on a T3i over a T2i unless you have to have the articulatiing screen. They are really the same camera. Just get a T2i then, and maybe a refurbed one for cheaper, but from what I found out it may not look great and be scratched up on the body if that bothers you.


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Thanks for the input everyone. While I respect those who used film before and still do so to learn the fundamentals, I don't intend on getting into photography that much. I do want to take good pictures, just not with film I have to develop or get someone else to develop. Read a lot since you suggested it, but it looks like too much of a learning curve to go with film.

Would prefer something small, but I'd rather get one camera for everything so after reading the suggestions and reviews these two seem to get a lot of looks: Canon PowerShot S95 and the Canon Rebel T3i. I know I can save $100 for the T2i, but again, would prefer to purchase one good camera.

So for a new guy who would someday want to go DSLR, which one? Thanks.



Yeah, that's what I currently do and why i'm here to find a good camera.
post #19 of 25
And dont forget about the Canon Loyalty Program!

What's the Canon Loyalty Program? I'm glad you asked!

Click the link in my sig. It will explain it in depth. The TL-DR version is this. Canon USA sells refurbished units online at a decent savings. The CLP allows you to take 20% off of these refurbished prices by mailing in a broken P&S Canon camera (which if you follow my link, you can buy one for like $16 shipped).

Thus, if you make the (wise) decision to move straight into an inexpensive DSLR like the T2i (really, the differences between T2i and T3i are negligible), instead of buying it for the regular refurbished price of $639.95, you would get it for ~$512 + tax and shipping.

Canon refurbed cameras come with a 90 day warranty, and if something is wrong it's usually pretty easy to tell early on. The cameras are usually in excellent+ condition (my 7D came and looked brand new except for a couple of very minor nicks on the top LCD). Also, Canon refurbished cameras are given an additional once over, and are usually just cameras that didn't pass the initial quality test, store demos, etc. Mine only had ~220 on the shutter when I received it.

It would be a little more than an S95, so it's something to think about. The S95 is a great camera from everything I've seen, but P&S cameras dont seem to hold their resale value as well as DSLR stuff (I just sold my 60D which has dropped to $639.95 on the Canon Loyalty Program for $925 with the battery grip) so if you decided to pick up a DSLR, I wouldn't bank on getting quite as much for a used P&S.

Good luck!
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Too lazy to go into detail, so my main points:
  • You can learn about exposure basics on DSLRs just as you can with film
  • However, the limited amount of shots and wait time for development on film made me much smarter/more careful with my shots when I transitioned to digital. I don't blindly shoot like I see most people do.
  • Film is also a completely different medium to work with. To directly compare the two is comparing apples to oranges. They're both photographic mediums, but they're both completely different in almost every aspect.
  • Go for a cheap DSLR body. There's almost no point in starting out with an expensive body. Additionally, body values depreciate very quickly.
  • Spend your money on glass instead. Lenses are THE most important aspect of your gear. A good lens with a cheap body is a much better combination. Additionally, lenses only go up in value over time.
  • If you want something compact, look into mirrorless setups. They're smaller than DSLRs but have superior image quality to point and shoots
  • On the other hand, DSLRs have better ergonomics and easier control.
  • My recommended DSLR bodies: Nikon D3100 or Canon T2i via Canon Loyalty Program. Grab either with the 18-55mm VR/IS kit lens. Don't buy anymore equipment than that until you actually start shooting with a camera and figure out your strengths/weaknesses/needs.
  • For the love of god, don't listen to Ken Rockwell when it comes to what gear to buy.
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