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If you have the money for a GTX 580 then I'd go for that, future-proofing and such with an SLI option down the road. If you're strapped for cash then search for a well-priced Radeon 5870. I stick by my earlier recommendation but either way, make sure you're comfortable in your decision!

In regards to your processor, it's perfectly fine for gaming. My 965BE is OCed to 3.9GHz and my SLI GTX 470s are both OCed to 840MHz and I've never had problems gaming on my rig, even before I OCed my processor. Does it perform as well as an i5 rig? Probably not but I don't give a ****. I'm perfectly happy with my set-up, it does what it was made to do. Well perfectly happy besides the general desire to upgrade all my stuff all the time...
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No, the CPU is not fine for crossfire or high-end GPU. Yes, he might see an improvement but the bottleneck would still be there and would be significant, especially in crossfire.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...re-review.html

It might be 4 cores but it's 4 terribly slow cores. The i3-5xx overclocked to 4.0ghz would be significantly faster.
For gaming, a better GPU is going to give out better FPS. There is no reason for him to waste $200-$300 on a new mobo and processor along with a new version of windows to get about a 5-10 fps increase. It is more worth it for him to get a better or another GPU. Yes, the Intel processors are better, but should he switch to it? no because he wont notice a difference for gaming. Gaming relies on your GPU. His CPU is not bottlenecking his gaming.
Here is a little source from the BF3 beta



If he was building a new rig I would be suggesting an i5-2500k, but since he is just upgrading his current rig he should keep his processor and not waste his money. The advice you are giving him to replace his mobo and CPU is illogical, stop being a fan boy.
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From the charts and people, it seems like a 580 would be the choice over the 5870 if I have the money, which I do. I was planning on selling my 5870 if there was a better option. Thanks for the help biggrin.gif
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For gaming, a better GPU is going to give out better FPS. There is no reason for him to waste $200-$300 on a new mobo and processor along with a new version of windows to get about a 5-10 fps increase. It is more worth it for him to get a better or another GPU. Yes, the Intel processors are better, but should he switch to it? no because he wont notice a difference for gaming. Gaming relies on your GPU. His CPU is not bottlenecking his gaming.
Here is a little source from the BF3 beta



If he was building a new rig I would be suggesting an i5-2500k, but since he is just upgrading his current rig he should keep his processor and not waste his money. The advice you are giving him to replace his mobo and CPU is illogical, stop being a fan boy.
First of all, it's a beta. You know what that means? It'll probably be different in the final version.

Second, it's showing a single 580 and not dual-GPUs like he might be getting. Believe it or not, this will make a difference...

Third, I already pointed it out in a previous thread the A8 is beating the 2500K in those charts. So are you telling us the A8 is faster than the 2500K? Please answer this with a yes or no, since you really seem to be keen on these terrible charts.

If he does go with a dual-GPU setup he should definitely go upgrade his CPU as well. Here's a thought, he might care about other games besides BF3 like you know, the new SCII expansion where SBs hammer AMD.
    
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First of all, it's a beta. You know what that means? It'll probably be different in the final version.
I understand that, and do you understand the Graphics are going to be even more intense? GPU is the better upgrade here. Battlefield 2 BC had the same results. The page was in German and now i cant find it. This chart is NOT showing AMD beating Intel, it is showing for gaming purposes that they are equal enough and NOT bottle-necking they system

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Third, I already pointed it out in a previous thread the A8 is beating the 2500K in those charts. So are you telling us the A8 is faster than the 2500K? Please answer this with a yes or no, since you really seem to be keen on these terrible charts.
Lol you really need to go back and read the words, instead of just looking at the charts. This chart shows that upgrading his mid-range processor will not give him much better results and it shows that a GPU is much more important and upgrading his GPU will give him better results when gaming. He does not need to be wasting his money on a CPU/mobo upgrade untill it is something worth while and his CPU is bottle-necking his system. Also, as most people will suggest, he should re-install windows when he upgrades his mobo

No, i am not saying the A8 is faster than the 2500K. I am saying that when gaming your GPU is much more important than your CPU and that his CPU is not bottle-necking the system. And you really shouldnt be looking at the 1-2 FPS difference, it just means they are on par with eachother for that game. And upgrading a CPU will not see any improvement in Graphically intense gaming. CPU intensive games is another story where he might see about a 5-10+ FPS increase, but in either case it is better to wait till his processor is obsolete, or go with a second gen Ivy Bridge processor and spend his money on a GPU. Like i said before:
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If he was building a new rig I would be suggesting an i5-2500k, but since he is just upgrading his current rig he should keep his processor and not waste his money.
Obviously the i5-2500K is a better processor for the money, but he already has his CPU. Replacing his CPU would be a waste. So, he should not be upgrading his processor when he will not be seeing his money's worth when gaming, that is just stupid. It is much more logical to go with a new GPU and wait to upgrade his CPU.

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Here's a thought, he might care about other games besides BF3 like you know, the new SCII expansion where SBs hammer AMD.
Obviously, SCII is a CPU intensive game. But in games like Fallout, L4D, Metro 2033, and Crysis, he will not see a difference if he upgrades his CPU.

The OP also said he wanted a new GPU, he said nothing about his CPU, nor complaining about it's performance in games. He also specified GPU intensive games that he was planning on playing.
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I'm looking to upgrade my graphics card, a Radeon 5870 1 GB, to something better.

*SNIP*

I play a lot of high intensity games like Witcher 2, Crysis and eventually Skyrim.
Crysis and Skyrim will see more of an improvement over a GPU upgrade, seeing as they are more GPU intensive, I am saying Skyrim is because Oblivion was. Witcher 2 might benefit more from a CPU upgrade because it is a CPU intensive game, but you will see an improvement if you upgrade the GPU none-the-less.


Here is another thing I found when looking around on the web, and that Witcher 2 does not handle Xfire very well.
Source here
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The Witcher 2 is still capable of bringing today's finest hardware to its knees. UberSampling cripples every single-card solution available, including the dual-GPU GeForce GTX 590 and Radeon HD 6990. You'll need a couple Nvidia graphics cards to experience the feature as it doesn't seem to work properly when using Crossfire (for now).
This was posted in June, If there have been any updates on this please let me know.
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I plan to bring the Witcher 2 to it's knees by next spring...
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I understand that, and do you understand the Graphics are going to be even more intense? GPU is the better upgrade here. Battlefield 2 BC had the same results. The page was in German and now i cant find it. This chart is NOT showing AMD beating Intel, it is showing for gaming purposes that they are equal enough and NOT bottle-necking they system



Lol you really need to go back and read the words, instead of just looking at the charts. This chart shows that upgrading his mid-range processor will not give him much better results and it shows that a GPU is much more important and upgrading his GPU will give him better results when gaming. He does not need to be wasting his money on a CPU/mobo upgrade untill it is something worth while and his CPU is bottle-necking his system. Also, as most people will suggest, he should re-install windows when he upgrades his mobo

No, i am not saying the A8 is faster than the 2500K. I am saying that when gaming your GPU is much more important than your CPU and that his CPU is not bottle-necking the system. And you really shouldnt be looking at the 1-2 FPS difference, it just means they are on par with eachother for that game. And upgrading a CPU will not see any improvement in Graphically intense gaming. CPU intensive games is another story where he might see about a 5-10+ FPS increase, but in either case it is better to wait till his processor is obsolete, or go with a second gen Ivy Bridge processor and spend his money on a GPU. Like i said before:

Obviously the i5-2500K is a better processor for the money, but he already has his CPU. Replacing his CPU would be a waste. So, he should not be upgrading his processor when he will not be seeing his money's worth when gaming, that is just stupid. It is much more logical to go with a new GPU and wait to upgrade his CPU.


Obviously, SCII is a CPU intensive game. But in games like Fallout, L4D, Metro 2033, and Crysis, he will not see a difference if he upgrades his CPU.

The OP also said he wanted a new GPU, he said nothing about his CPU, nor complaining about it's performance in games. He also specified GPU intensive games that he was planning on playing.

Crysis and Skyrim will see more of an improvement over a GPU upgrade, seeing as they are more GPU intensive, I am saying Skyrim is because Oblivion was. Witcher 2 might benefit more from a CPU upgrade because it is a CPU intensive game, but you will see an improvement if you upgrade the GPU none-the-less.


Here is another thing I found when looking around on the web, and that Witcher 2 does not handle Xfire very well.
Source here

This was posted in June, If there have been any updates on this please let me know.
So basically you're agreeing that in some games a CPU upgrade would be required to see a noticeable performance increase while for other games it wouldn't.

Isn't it a good idea to cover all the bases? He's already going to spend $300-500 on a GPU a CPU upgrade would also be well-worth it. Yes he might be best served waiting for BD (everyone is) but if he's going to go crossfire then he really should upgrade his CPU now.

In any dual-GPU setup over the 6850/460s the Phenom IIs are significant bottlenecks.

Are you seriously suggesting that he should just go ahead and SLi his 570 with that 955 without looking into a processor upgrade? Wait till he sees 45 fps in SCII:HOTS.
    
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So basically you're agreeing that in some games a CPU upgrade would be required to see a noticeable performance increase while for other games it wouldn't.

Isn't it a good idea to cover all the bases? He's already going to spend $300-500 on a GPU a CPU upgrade would also be well-worth it. Yes he might be best served waiting for BD (everyone is) but if he's going to go crossfire then he really should upgrade his CPU now.

In any dual-GPU setup over the 6850/460s the Phenom IIs are significant bottlenecks.

Are you seriously suggesting that he should just go ahead and SLi his 570 with that 955 without looking into a processor upgrade? Wait till he sees 45 fps in SCII:HOTS.

It's really not logical for him to upgrade his CPU at this time. He'd have to change the motherboard (150 at least) then get something like an i7 (300) That's 450 right there at least, add a high end GPU, and he just paid a lot of money for performance that really wasn't worth the money.
Besides, he said he's getting a 580; there's no bottleneck there at all really.
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It's really not logical for him to upgrade his CPU at this time. He'd have to change the motherboard (150 at least) then get something like an i7 (300) That's 450 right there at least, add a high end GPU, and he just paid a lot of money for performance that really wasn't worth the money.
Besides, he said he's getting a 580; there's no bottleneck there at all really.
No, he doesn't need an i7. For an i5 K setup it's like $360 if you shop around and know what you're doing.

Again, for this single 580 it's not bad for some games like Battlefield but it will be poor (relatively) in other games such as SCII. What about when he goes SLi that 580? Isn't is a decent option to upgrade his CPU now so he's not bottlenecked with current games and won't be bottlenecked for future games?

If you're willing to spend $500 on a video card you should be willing to upgrade your CPU.

Maybe it's just me but I like to make sure my computer is performing to 100% of it's capabilities all of the time. Not just some games but every game and future games (obviously not a fortune teller but just going by trends).
    
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No, he doesn't need an i7. For an i5 K setup it's like $360 if you shop around and know what you're doing.

Again, for this single 580 it's not bad for some games like Battlefield but it will be poor (relatively) in other games such as SCII. What about when he goes SLi that 580? Isn't is a decent option to upgrade his CPU now so he's not bottlenecked with current games and won't be bottlenecked for future games?

If you're willing to spend $500 on a video card you should be willing to upgrade your CPU.

Maybe it's just me but I like to make sure my computer is performing to 100% of it's capabilities all of the time. Not just some games but every game and future games (obviously not a fortune teller but just going by trends).
I just don't see how the performance increase from his current setup could warrant at least 360 dollars.
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