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So it's another contemplative thread on the watercooling decision. Some of us might be annoyed to see when threads such as these are cropping up, asking the same tiring questions: Should I watercool?...Is it worth the price you pay?...What if it leaks?

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Unrelenting, the membership of this forum obliges each and every concern. The passion on this forum humbles me. To see such an active and endearing community, advancing the concerns of their interests and the knowledge base surrounding the hobby/passion/lifestyle of the PC age is truly a unique experience. But I digress biggrin.gif ..........

So ever since I built my first rig, I've been a member of this forum, and my exposure to the nuances of watercooling has been quite captivating and interesting, to say the least. I have been following many threads, articles, reviews and the like on various watercooling topics and I've picked up alot in my travels. Now having said this, it all boils down to my own personal assessment of the deliberation that goes into getting "wet" and so I've decided to write a little on my experiences and thoughts as I constantly "window shop" for water cooling - a kind of 'guide' if you will on the concept of choice under constraint. Oh, and before I forget, but maybe it's not relevant....I'm a student of economics. The concepts of choice and uncertainty are critical to my studies and more importantly, to life.

My personal situation:
cool.gif I just upgraded my rig (see sig) from LGA775.

cool.gif I am using the same case, PSU and GPU as I did before
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cool.gif The features and capabilities of my new system are almost overwhelming to me and I want to ensure my new system lasts long and runs to the best of its potential


cool.gif I am seriously considering water cooling my rig for the following reasons:

1. I am assuming the resulting effectiveness of the cooling relative to stock solutions will extend the life of my component(s)

2. I am interested in overclocking. Not to any extreme extent, but I am appreciative of the process and all the experiences that go with it. But I refuse to overclock anything while it's being cooled by the stock cooling. I want to see what my system is capable of as well and to see what positive results i can get from o/c

3. Water cooling, when done in a particular way, can vastly improve the aesthetic of the system. It looks good, there is no doubt about it.

4. It will add value to my system


cool.gif I just cant seem to make up my mind, given the wealth of information and opinions available to me, not only on this forum but on many sites across the internet.

cool.gif Some of you might know (I put a video up a while ago on the forum in another section), but since I don't expect most of you to, I play games on my PC with one hand. My left arm was injured in an accident a few years back. This means I do everything else with one hand too...including building pc's - it hasn't been easy, but here we are. I'm willing to go that extra mile.

I'm sure many of you probably feel the same way I do, and you stand on the tipping point. Like you're just about to take the plunge but you just need that extra nudge to take the plunge.

You go very far, you make shopping carts online, read hundreds of reviews, articles and watch videos. You even plan out a loop with a picture of your case you found online. Like I did biggrin.gif ......

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But what's keeping you?

Sure, it's expensive: you get a job/ save/ make targets/ you can make it happen...it's only a matter of time.

It's dangerous: you read of leaks and gunk and corrosion and disastrous incidents where thousands of dollars in equipment have been reduced to mere scrap metal...pretty scary.

But you're STILL IN THE MARKET for a decent water cooling setup..

My kit of choice so far: XSPC RASA
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and the build logs realllly tempt you. Especially when the end result looks like this: Project Acid Veins
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So what am I to do? What should any noob do really? Tell us forum...Is it worth the risk, the time, the money, the effort? Tell me what you think...what you really think
Edited by arfaad - 10/6/11 at 9:12pm
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well **** you just read my mind. Unfortunately I cant watercool because my case isnt big enough nor do i have the knowledge or time to case mod.
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wow.. that is one clean and sleek build, everytime I see a cosmos, it's usually cluttered...

I like to say, I for one am a extreme water cooler, or at least I like to think so.. 3x 360 on a dual D5 cooling 3x 580 alone, that's what it's all about.. It's silent and it stays below 50c using sub par blocks, wait till I get my Aquacomputer blocks, I am aiming for a delta of 5c..

It's a hobby really, cheap kits can be effective and knock down the noise db quite a lot compared to Air, those on a budget can go this route..

Test Leak
Dont mix additives, when in doubt, just use silver coil and distilled..

If you know what you are doing, You will be fine.. There are people on this forum who has liquid cooled their rigs for one to two years without dismantling and draining and have never experienced any issues.
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It's dangerous: you read of leaks and gunk and corrosion and disastrous incidents where thousands of dollars in equipment have been reduced to mere scrap metal...pretty scary.

It's not dangerous if you just take your time and be careful, having any hobby can be dangerous and you can easily destroy your investment..

I suggest read the threads, ask questions, test leak using a power supply connected to pumps only via jump starting with a paper clip..

The rest is just common sense, take your time and you should not have a problem, most people have problems because they rush and want their rig up and running in a day..
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Frank pretty much summed it up smile.gif
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Lovely. Well said Frank. I know I'll be Pm'ing you if I ever get on board with this. It's just getting liklier each passing day too smile.gif
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What you guys think of the T-Line drain section in my plan? I'm not sure what I'll need for the stopper though.
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Originally Posted by arfaad;15209539 
What you guys think of the T-Line drain section in my plan? I'm not sure what I'll need for the stopper though.

I use bitspower BP-MBWP-C31 for the stopper on my t-line, as for the actual t itself, I use BP-TMB T Block with G1/4 barbs, it's a expensive t line compared to a standard plastic T, but I am after the bling factor.. biggrin.gif

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I also have some of these which I might use it to connect the end of my T line for draining, works nicely as a fill port up top also... but you will need to drill holes in your case and use a ball valve (if using it as a drain outlet) inside, it looks hella sexy... wheee.gif

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So I placed my order...I'll be entering the realm of water with an easy XSPC RS240 Kit.

I got some Tygon R3400 7/16" Black to replace the kit standard so it can possibly conform to the case mod worklog I'm about to begin before year end.

I just got those plus a killcoil. The site I ordered from: sidewinder, didn't have any ball valves so I opted out of getting drain line fittings...for now.

I'll be posting soon on the case mod plans. Once I get most of the stuff I need it'll all be pics from here on out.
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