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Originally Posted by EvanPitts View Post
There is no myth - an SSD is clobbered after 10,000 write cycles - therefore many applications can push it over the edge quickly. Windows can probably easily clobber it inside of a few months, just from VM. SQL is common enough these days - but games, talk about walloping a drive, because many games are extremely tough on drives, especially with the need for VM hits.
Sorry but no. Like I said above you could write 50GB a day and it would still take years before you started to kill off the NAND. No way in hell is that going to happen with typical usage. Even after 2 years all of my SSD's still have under 7TB of host writes. At that rate they'll die in another 35 years or so.

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I am a cheapskate, and the tech is still maturing and has a long way to go IMHO, its not as plug and play as a mechanical drive is, you have to worry about TRIM, and stuff, when that stuff gets sorted, and they start lasting longer with read/writes and become faster and more reliable, and dont require any setting up (maybe with windows 8 this might change, who knows?) I will get one. but I dont see this happening for a couple of years. maybe sometime by the end of next year?

I agree that the speed increase is amazing, but it doesnt make my games run at any higher FPS yet, or make the detail in my games any better. thats what I use my PC most for. to me its not worth it right now to just have faster load times in windows and shutdown times, I want to be able to install all my games and applications on it. so everything runs faster, not just the OS.
SSD technogoly is mature and there is nothing wrong with it (besides Sandforce ). Plug the drive in.. Make sure you have your SATA set to AHCI or RAID in the bios. And that is pretty much all you need to do.

And an SSD will often increase minimum FPS on games that have an open world and few load screens like Crysis, Fallout 3, Witcher 2, etc.
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You judge people wrong - most people have hoardes of stuff. 1TB doesn't cut it for a majority of users, especially with movies and such. No SSD approaches 1TB - and a 120GB drive would be pretty small, for most users these days, unless someone really put effort into a spartan system and didn't have any media. Even the 250GB drive in my netbook is packed, and that is without "media" - just essentials.

There is no myth - an SSD is clobbered after 10,000 write cycles - therefore many applications can push it over the edge quickly. Windows can probably easily clobber it inside of a few months, just from VM. SQL is common enough these days - but games, talk about walloping a drive, because many games are extremely tough on drives, especially with the need for VM hits.

Until they migrate from NAND Flash, which is write and capacity limited - SSD will never be the achiever that most people will be able to use in a stable manner as a main storage drive.
You know this as a fact, how? Have you experimented with this yourself or just believe what someone/some site said on the internet?

I guess some people take the internet VERY SERIOUSLY.

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3 SSD RAID0? I'm jealous. Out of curiosity what do you do that requires that much speed?
I remember another user here who did a 5 SSD RAID0.
 
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when you make a boot drive do you have to erase the old drive or do both SSD and HDD share the same windows os install? Cant imagine using an SSD for anything considering 3-4 high end games and its useless capacity wise.
you can integrate them as seen here
    
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I have an SSD. Just use it for games. Windows is on my raid setup. Windows feels great.
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Like someone Previously stated before, The SSD should be the last upgrade on a system build. As should water-cooling. I dont get these people who have mid-range GPU's who play games that have fancy water-cooling and SSD's yet they dont experience games at the max settings.
SSD's in laptops? Its a no-brainer. On a high-end system....Eh not worth it...And yes Ive experienced SSD's but damn how impatient are you people that u would spend hundreds of dollars to cut down seconds of wait...

Lol...^

People typically don't put games on their SSDs, you only need the OS to reside on one (solid state) to szee/feel/notice how smooth, snappy & crisp the experience is, just moving about opening up YouTube videoes, or a playlist, etc.

SSD are not a storage device.


Secondly, most people put their games in their "games" partition, on their speedy mechanical drive. Having your apps, storage & games on the HD of ur choice, allows the OS to do what it wants, in it own channel, free of slow HD traffic.

Putting ur game(s) on an SSD would nearly be like playing the whole game from memory. It to quick to comprehend. Mristor's will change PC into appliances.
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Originally Posted by Lucky 13 SpeedShop View Post
Sorry, but that statement is crazy. You expect the Ferrari to be cheaper than a Yugo? Not happening, until HDD's are defunct and there is something faster than SSD's.
You want to see crazy? Re-read your comment. And notice you are talking to a car enthusiast that is insulted.
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You judge people wrong - most people have hoardes of stuff. 1TB doesn't cut it for a majority of users, especially with movies and such. No SSD approaches 1TB - and a 120GB drive would be pretty small, for most users these days, unless someone really put effort into a spartan system and didn't have any media. Even the 250GB drive in my netbook is packed, and that is without "media" - just essentials.

There is no myth - an SSD is clobbered after 10,000 write cycles - therefore many applications can push it over the edge quickly. Windows can probably easily clobber it inside of a few months, just from VM. SQL is common enough these days - but games, talk about walloping a drive, because many games are extremely tough on drives, especially with the need for VM hits.

Until they migrate from NAND Flash, which is write and capacity limited - SSD will never be the achiever that most people will be able to use in a stable manner as a main storage drive.
Erm, most users wouldn't fill a 120GB drive...No-one apart from me and my techie friends even have over 200GB of stuff, the majority of actual users would be fine with a 60GB SSD, 120GB if more than one person uses the computer. (Case in point, my girlfriends family computer with 4 users? 300GB free of 500GB.)

And that's 5,000 complete cycles of the entire SSD for 25nm NAND, you realize how long that takes? The bigger the SSD the longer it lasts too, no-one would kill an SSD with normal usage.

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Assuming this is true, how much usage is that in real life?
An insanely large amount, over 600,000TB for a 120GB drive, it would take over 2 years to destroy the drive if you're writing data at 580MB/s 24/7 for that long.
As you can see, it's extremely unrealistic, you're more than likely going to be writing less than 100MB an hour once everythings formatted and installed, it's simple maths to work it out.

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Lol...^

People typically don't put games on their SSDs, you only need the OS to reside on one (solid state) to szee/feel/notice how smooth, snappy & crisp the experience is, just moving about opening up YouTube videoes, or a playlist, etc.

SSD are not a storage device.


Secondly, most people put their games in their "games" partition, on their speedy mechanical drive. Having your apps, storage & games on the HD of ur choice, allows the OS to do what it wants, in it own channel, free of slow HD traffic.

Putting ur game(s) on an SSD would nearly be like playing the whole game from memory. It to quick to comprehend. Mristor's will change PC into appliances.
I for one could fit all of my programs and Windows easily on a 30GB SSD, once I strip out Hibernation and move the pagefile/reduce it in size, if I got a 120GB SSD that's easily another 90GB I can use for games which do actually benefit. (Any of Bethesdas recent RPGs do.)
    
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In all honesty, SSD's are useless to me. I mean the only upside they have is performance. And the only real reliable SSD's are Intel's line. They are expensive and have a more shotty reliably rate than HDD's. (Meaning there reliability rate is unreliable/not consistent. But when they are reliable they can last longer than a HDD if treated correctly.)
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Anyone holding out against SSDs is just fooling themselves, and missing out.
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My eyes have been opened and i have converted!

I will definately be getting an SSD for Windows and important programs in my next build!
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