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the problem with RAID 0 is that if one drive fails, the array becomes useless. The risk in my experience outweighs the performance gain.

Now, if you're talking about a couple drive in RAID 0 for games/storage, that's fine. For the OS, though, the SSD will still be noticeably more responsive, if not just plain faster.

You can't get rid of the access times inherent in mechanical drives by simply adding more drives. The access latency is still there. You just get faster load times. Load times are only half the reason why SSDs are so good. The .1ms access time is what makes an SSD the hero of your system.
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I'm tired of people acting like a solid state drive is a necessity.

I don't frown on anyone who decides to buy one and does feel it is worth the money. I am cool with people spending their money on it, and hope they enjoy their purchases.

On the flipside, I also think people need to quit acting like it is a prerequisite. Some people prefer faster boot times, some of us prefer mechanical keyboards, and hifi headphones.

A lot of you will say that "A ssd is the best long term upgrade you can make to improve your system quality"

I will respectfully disagree and say that a Mechanical keyboard is the best upgrade you can make, because the sensation makes typing 10x more pleasurable than those crappy rubber dome keyboards.

I won't deny there are probably quite a few advantages to a solid state drive that won't be noticed until I actually have one running in my machine. On the other hand, I honestly don't find myself really having any problems at all with my computer.

It boots faster than most peoples cell phones, it loads games in a reasonable time, and I have never found myself saying "MAN THIS CRAP JUST WON'T LOAD FAST ENOUGH!"

I think a lot of us out there are happy with our computers, and even more importantly don't believe there is enough value in solid state drives at the moment.

Instead of spending 200$ on a *Great* ssd.. I'd rather spend it on the following.

Corsair Obsidian 650d case
Resistance 3
Infamous 2
kindle fire

I am not bashing anyone who enjoys their solid state drive, and if I find I am ever unhappy with my boot times, I'll be the first in line to upgrade.. but, honestly.. if I use my computer 8 hours a day and never have any problems with it.. why fix what isn't broken?

If I had an unlimited budget, I'd grab one in a heart beat... But, honestly.. A mechanical keyboard, sound card, and hifi headphones were all higher on the list.

I realize my computer is a luxury purchase to begin with.. however, I view certain luxuries higher than others... To me, the quality of the keyboard I might have to type on for 8 hours is higher priority than whether the computer itself takes 26 seconds longer to boot at the beginning of the 8 hours..

Playing the game at a stead 60 fps is more important than whether the game took an extra 15 seconds to load or not. ect ect ect.

It is fine with me that other people are more worried about getting things to load faster... However, I think my major argument is a lot of us have much higher priorities and it gets kind of annoying to constantly hear how we "need" something..
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I use windows on mechanical drives. No issues yet. Extremely quick.
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Originally Posted by Snow_Fox;15214748 
I realize my computer is a luxury purchase to begin with.. however, I view certain luxuries higher than others... To me, the quality of the keyboard I might have to type on for 8 hours is higher priority than whether the computer itself takes 26 seconds longer to boot at the beginning of the 8 hours.

To be fair, there are some other benefits to a SSD besides the boot time, but your point is a very good one. A computer, for me, is much more of a work tool than something I play on, and when it's being used for play, it's typically with movies and music, stuff that you store on traditional HDDs regardless.

You couldn't pay me to use some of the horrible keyboards that are produced nowadays, or some of the mice that people use, either.

I have in mind to add a SSD for the boot drive at some point, but it's not a high priority.
     
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol;15214322 
Certain people don't seem to understand that an SSD makes your system feel more responsive since the OS files are now on their own dedicated drive AND they can be accessed in a fraction of the time it takes a regular HDD to get them. The feel of the system is the change, while load/save times are a close 2nd. Your system feels like it's worth about 5 times its cost when you add in an SSD as the OS drive.

You'll find that games feel better because your computer is no longer getting OS files from the same Hard Drive as your games are on. It makes a HUGE difference, even if the game is not on the SSD.


An SSD is the single best long term upgrade you can make. Period.



Wrong. My wife has a decent gamer system without an SSD, and I can tell you that whenever I launch a program on her computer, no matter what it may be, her system chokes a little before launching the program. It's latency caused by the access times of the HDD.

My system with a Vertex 2 (like yours) experiences no such "choke point" The computer opens the program and moves on, like nothing happened. Some people that have SSD's eventually forget how incredible an SSD is for everyday computer usage. Go back to a regular Hard Drive as your OS drive, and tell me how it feels. The difference between a computer with its OS on a Mechanical Drive and a computer with its OS on an SSD is night and day.

If your system does not feel noticeably snappier with an SSD, something is wrong. Either the SSD is defective, or you didn't set up your system correctly. Or perhaps you just think it was wasted money. I think my Vertex 2 was the best upgrade I've ever made. It felt like going from 2GB RAM to 64GB RAM (yea, that's an exaggeration, but I've never had a system feel this responsive before.)


I said that some programs will launch a bit faster...but that is it. That is a kin to the starting up faster. That is like saying you can get into the car door faster, but it isn't any faster on the straight away.

That choke point you mention on lauching is not something I've really seen either. Even here at work on my piece of junk HP. I notice that the SSD will make the start screen go away faster in a few apps (and it was very few), but that same screen appears just as fast as a HDD. Once the program is running then there is no difference. I got the SSD mainly for gaming...I was hoping load times would reduce and I was very sorely disappointed. The only game that I noticed anything was Crysis and that was only the extreme distance stuff would be loaded when the load screen got done. With a HDD it would finish loading a second or so after the load screen was done. I wasn't looking for it I would not have noticed it.

@Riou Actually yeah...doing a virus scan or file verification on a SSD will be much faster. I think it is because it truely is nothing but fast reading...so burst read times do not affect the perforance. However, that is something I pretty much never do and not many other people do either. As far as regular usage...a SSD serves no purpose.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 10/7/11 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by Bloodfire;15214487 
I'm surprised no-one mentioned RAID0 for mechanical drives. I have 4 WD Caviar blacks in RAID0 and get crazy speeds. My SSD in my laptop is nice and snappy, but since it's SATAII my RAID0 array gets way faster write/read speeds. My 500MB/s write is very nice. My SSD can't touch that. Mind you my other rig just has an HDD and I am considering getting an SSD for that. My main rig needs the storage and speed, so RAID0 wins out. Plus I have a second raid array in RAID5 that handles the important data.
Works like a champ. Transferred 320GB recently from my RAID0 to RAID5 and it took only about 10minutes. If that's not awesome I don't know what is.

Umm the sequential write/read speeds that you're talking about, are worthless. The REAL benefit of SSDs are the near instant access times, and four or ten mechanical drives in RAID0 can't and won't ever come close to one SSD in this most important aspect, BY FAR.
    
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If you're happy with the speeds on your HDD, then Don't upgrade.

If you're unhappy, then go SSD.

Problem solved.
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Was just testing my new 7k1000.D and they are at 150mbs on my old motherboard lga 775 motherboard. When i upgrade my new motherboard next week speeds will be even faster.
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Originally Posted by kyle7412;15215394 
If you're happy with the speeds on your HDD, then Don't upgrade.

If you're unhappy, then go SSD.

Problem solved.

^ I'm with this guy. Stick to your HDD's if you're not convinced. I'm about 5 times as productive with SSD's. Before, I'd have to stop what I was doing in order for something to load. Now, I have to stop because I can't think fast enough to keep up with my systems.

It's all about mathematics. If an application takes on average 5 seconds longer on a HDD than a SSD and you launch those applications 100 times a day over 240 days (if you have 4 weeks off for holidays/vacation), that's over 8 minutes and 19.8 seconds saved in a day. For work, that's nearly 33 hours and 20 minutes saved in a year.

All that time saved makes for extra time taking breaks. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by I Am A Noob;15211127 
mechanical HDDs quickly become your limitation with overclocked sandy bridge processors.

Heck even before that. I never understand why people get 2 video cards for like 10% more fps in a few games, when a single midrange card is good enough for 99% of games.

But an SSD, you never go back, god how did I compute before them confused.gif
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