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QX6700 (again, sorry for all the s775 threads).

Usually Tj is 10-15° above Tc (core temp and cpu temp in HW monitor respectively).
I'm putting 1.22 vcore through at 3.0GHz and usually heating up to 50°cpu and 60° on the cores. After 2 hours of BC2 last night I noticed Tcase had maxed at 83°! wth?! I decided to ignore it as my core temps were all under 60°. I don't see how this could happen. Temp sensor on it's way out I presume. I can't remember case temperature but I only have a 5770 in there which gets to 70° max.

Comments welcome, I just thought I would share what happened and that I am ingoring Tcase. I have thermal controls turned off in bios. I always thought Tcase was read from an actual sensor and the cores were calculated from distance to TJmax. Therefore Tcase should be the one to go by in theory.
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I don't know, but all I would go by is Real Temp and not HWMonitor.
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Realtemp doesn't show Tcase though?
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post #4 of 10
It doesn't have to.

Why do we need to know what the tCase is? All that matters are the core temps.
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post #5 of 10
HWMonitor doesn't show tCASE either.

The only actual temperature you can get out of an Intel CPU is distance to TJmax. There is no tCASE sensor.

Some boards have a sensor in/near the socket, but since tCASE isn't socket temp, thats not what it reports.

Either the temp you think is tCASE is bogus or it's socket temp (which can get pretty high because of heat dump from the VRMs).
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I always thought :

Tcase is acquired on the CPU die from the CPU case Thermal Diode as an analog level, which is converted to a digital value by the super I/O (Input/Output) chip on the motherboard. The digital value is BIOS Calibrated and displayed by temperature software. BIOS Calibration affects the accuracy of Tcase, or CPU temperature.

Tjunction is acquired within the Cores from Thermal Diodes as analog levels, which are converted to digital values by the Digital Thermal Sensors (DTS) within each Core. The digital values are Factory Calibrated and displayed by temperature software. Factory Calibration affects the accuracy of Tjunction, or Core temperatures.
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It doesn't have to.

Why do we need to know what the tCase is? All that matters are the core temps.
Well thats the thing though for you and me with the i5. Real temp which is OLD as dirt. Uses the same tjmax for our cpu as the latest hwmonitor. Coretemp which is old too does the same.

I dont see how people are trusting applications older than the entire gen of cpu their using.

My concern is that last 3 or so bios revisions for sure read up to 10 degrees lower than any temp software I have checked. Inaccurate is inaccurate. There is a rough conversion for tjmax if i remember correctly. But 10 degrees can be life or death on the highend.

Just my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by RainMotorsports View Post
Well thats the thing though for you and me with the i5. Real temp which is OLD as dirt. Uses the same tjmax for our cpu as the latest hwmonitor. Coretemp which is old too does the same.

I dont see how people are trusting applications older than the entire gen of cpu their using.

My concern is that last 3 or so bios revisions for sure read up to 10 degrees lower than any temp software I have checked. Inaccurate is inaccurate. There is a rough conversion for tjmax if i remember correctly. But 10 degrees can be life or death on the highend.

Just my thoughts.
Oh. I forgot to mention one thing:

Real Temp 3.67.

This is fully optimized for Sandy Bridge.
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Oh snap. Swear that version looks familiar but its definitly a newer date then the last one i download. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by RainMotorsports View Post
Oh snap. Swear that version looks familiar but its definitly a newer date then the last one i download. Thanks.
You're welcome!

It's still a beta, but it's stable. The last official release is 3.60, but 3.67 is just as stable as a final release. The only thing weird about it is that it doesn't quite read the clock speed correctly at all times.
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