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I remember reading something like 99.9% of all programs are compiled with Intel compilers.
Don't hold me to this, but its not ICC as much as Microsoft compilers, which IIRC uses alot of the ICC code and librarys

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Is there any guarantee todays games and programs will take advantage of these instruction sets?
Why would anyone buy something that will be great in a year, when they can buy something that's great now?
build it and they will come.

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This!
BD needs to be competetive for us, if not we'll end up with 10% faster than last gen i3s for 600$
Intel is largely competing with Intel, if they don't roll out new hardware in a rhythmic manner, they will become less relevant.


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I agree, if BD can hit 15GHz on air and still keep cool, needing 6GHz to match SB-performance at 3GHz doesn't mean anything.
Yes, we have no benchmarks. Though there is a large trends towards BD being crap in every leak we see, which means that we're either seeing some really old ES and AMD has magically pulled 30-40% more IPS from BD or we won't get the amazing chip the market so desperately needs.

Wow, who would leak about AMD having crap performance ?

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Why does all reviews use these benchmarks if they are so biased?
who spends over a billion a year in ad buys ?
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I remember reading something like 99.9% of all programs are compiled with Intel compilers.
Microsoft Compilers mostly are the dominate factor

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Is there any guarantee todays games and programs will take advantage of these instruction sets?
Why would anyone buy something that will be great in a year, when they can buy something that's great now?
Yes, but games probably not but in games AMD FX is usually faster than Intel CPUs in GPU limited scenarios

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Why does all reviews use these benchmarks if they are so biased?
They get paid to do so
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.../snip

Why does all reviews use these benchmarks if they are so biased?
Reviews are the closest things we have to scientific evidence. There are many variables involved, there is a demand for reviews, and reviews cater to the market with supply.

What would science be like without the peer review process?
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I find the linux benchmarks on average produce more relevant and stable results. GCC shows no favoritism I know of towards either brand.
When the majority of consumer users use windows, how is Linux-based benchmarks relevant?
That is like comparing two sport cars in how good they are at driving in rough terrain.

Also, I thought these processors got the same optimizations as Intel does because of the "GenuineIntel"-flag?
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Microsoft Compilers mostly are the dominate factor

Yes, but games probably not but in games AMD FX is usually faster than Intel CPUs in GPU limited scenarios

They get paid to do so
I thought the Intel compiler libraries generally gave better performance than the other compilers? That is at least the story I heard.

We don't know anything about how the performance of these processors are in games, the only rumors point to how BD will have horrible single-thread performance. Also, 0.5% won't make a difference in noticeable performance, and most benchmarks point to Intel-CPUs giving better minimum fps.

And sure they might get paid to do make Intel look good, but why does a lot of the user reviews show Intel-CPUs are generally better as well?
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I thought the Intel compiler libraries generally gave better performance than the other compilers? That is at least the story I heard.
For Intel CPUs

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We don't know anything about how the performance of these processors are in games, the only rumors point to how BD will have horrible single-thread performance. Also, 0.5% won't make a difference in noticeable performance, and most benchmarks point to Intel-CPUs giving better minimum fps.
I heard and seen the opposite it has horrid(not that horrid but it isn't Llano/i5 MT performance) MT performance and amazing ST performance

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And sure they might get paid to do make Intel look good, but why does a lot of the user reviews show Intel-CPUs are generally better as well?
They use the same benchmarks that is why
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.../snip
That said, why don't these huge benchmark discrepancys exist on Linux where it shows AMD and Intel having a good deal more parity .../snip
Have there been any linux bench leaks pertaining to BD? Color me interested.

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Are FMA4 and XOP new codes entirely? Does anyone know if these items are used now?
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When the majority of consumer users use windows, how is Linux-based benchmarks relevant?
That is like comparing two sport cars in how good they are at driving in rough terrain.
Excuse me, but thats not what being said here. Linux mostly uses the GCC compiler. Its CPU brand agnostic.Linux and Windows are comparable as test bed to evaluate component performance. If Microsoft is fuding up AMD performance out of some loyalty to Intel, that should stop. The consumer then suffers.


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Also, I thought these processors got the same optimizations as Intel does because of the "GenuineIntel"-flag?
Say what ? the FTC did not require Intel to change the compiler that I am aware of, Agner has highlighted this in his blog repeatedly.


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I thought the Intel compiler libraries generally gave better performance than the other compilers? That is at least the story I heard.
Intel also offers and sells that compiler and library technology to other companies.

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We don't know anything about how the performance of these processors are in games, the only rumors point to how BD will have horrible single-thread performance. Also, 0.5% won't make a difference in noticeable performance, and most benchmarks point to Intel-CPUs giving better minimum fps.

Take it with this



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And sure they might get paid to do make Intel look good, but why does a lot of the user reviews show Intel-CPUs are generally better as well?

Then they should disclose that fact. IE

this review was sponsored and endorsed and paid for by the Intel corporation.
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Have there been any linux bench leaks pertaining to BD? Color me interested.

OT:
Are FMA4 and XOP new codes entirely? Does anyone know if these items are used now?
none that I have seen, I figured Cray numbers should be leaking out soon enough or maybe even other linux based servers for that matter.
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none that I have seen, I figured Cray numbers should be leaking out soon enough or maybe even other linux based servers for that matter.
But they are being worked on

x264 will be using FMA and XOP in a newer version

y-Cruncher will use FMA and XOP past 80 billion digits in a newer version

and more are to come
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