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4GB of RAM is still fine for this build; whoever said that "amount of RAM" is what is necessary has it all wrong. Amount of RAM has to do with what you will be doing on this PC. What's important on the Llano APU, and for the same reason that both the CPU and GPU both use the system RAM, is memory performance.

Choosing generic valueRAM with low binning and no guarantee of overclockability over a DDR3-1600 (overclockable to 1866) kit will result in an extremely large scale loss of performance due to the Llano APU's requirement for lots of bandwidth (up to 50% gaming, 20% general).

An A8 build can fit in a $350 budget.

Assuming OS on a separate budget, this is my suggestion:
FALLSALE coupon - $5 off [Superbiiz]

$344 shipped

If you can, use NEWCUSTOMER10 coupon - $10 off [Newegg]

This would make for a great, compact (thin, particularly) small form factor setup. I have owned two Apex DM-387s already (well, direct variants at least) and they are great to work with. Going totally tiny with mITX (which will probably make only a small difference) will mean that you have to sacrifice a couple of things due to increased cost (i.e. A8 to A6 APU).
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Originally Posted by SalisburySteak View Post
I think he wanted a llano because of the gpu performance too as more applications are starting to use them.
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Originally Posted by Boinz View Post
he watches the occasional DVD, outlook, office, web browsing, basic stuff, no gaming, but has A TON of family pics.
No real reason to go llano. His dad will not be needing a good GPU. A normal integrated graphics will suffice. The Intel integrated GPU is better than the GPU that comes integrated on the AM3 880G mobo and even an 880G mobo will be good enough.
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*ENTER GOOD LLANO DEAL HERE*
You always come out with super deals on everything. Doesn't matter what the budget, you are always finding good deals. I see it all the time
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Well, office apps ARE GPU accelerated when using Office 2010. This could be of particular advantage to the business user when dealing with complex spreadsheets.
Web browsing can be GPU accelerated,
Video playback (DVD, high def, etc) is GPU accelerated
Photo editing (he did mention tons of family pics) can be GPU accelerated.

Llano APU? I see no reason not to go for it, esp. considering a top end A8 build can fit within a $350 budget.
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I know you posted this in the AMD forum, and I love AMD but their ITX mobo's are seriously lacking. You can get this and still be in your budget with an i3 processor. It will out perform the llano



Oh and the PSU (150W) that comes with the case is enough for this build, if you were going with a llano, it might not be enough. I chose the case because it comes from a reputable PSU manufacturer (Antec).

If you really want an AMD you should look into micro-ATX. An athlon x2/3 and an 880G mobo will do the job.


Oh and before I get flamed for posting an Intel build on AMD thread, I am all for AMD but they are just lacking the ITX Mobo's on Newegg!!!


EDIT:
Here are the links
Case & PSU
HDD
RAM
Mobo
i3-2100
That hard drive won't fit in that case. Subtotal doesn't reflect the $10 shipping on the case. No Optical drive present. Once these factors are resolved, this build breaks the $350 budget.


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Anyone else having trouble with this link?

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Intel ITX build idea:
(the very small form factor hurts performance/dollar, but this build would be fine)

CPU/RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.747242
This CPU is faster and more power friendly than llano in most average user tasks. The 65W TDP rating has not held true in 3rd party testing, Scroll down the the power consumption part of this comparison. Also, the stock heatsink included with intel chips is lower profile than that of AMD. The stock HSF is more likely to fit in a very compact case. Also, might as well throw 8GB of RAM in any machine being built since it's so cheap.

GPU: G840 has integrated HD2000 which will work well enough for this.

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138327
(Basic ITX board, should work fine)

Case/PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129080
(It's a small little bugger... have to be careful which drives you buy (only slim optical and 2.5" HDs). Also, it's very possible that a stock AMD heat sink might not fit in here (too tall? not sure).

HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152289
(2.5" drive to fit case)

Optical: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151242
(slim profile to fit case)

That's $339 shipped.

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Intel Micro ATX build idea:
(The micro ATX size build loosens up the budget in a few places making room for a dedicated GPU)

CPU/RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.747182
(similar combo as above, but dropping to the G620 rather than the G840 to save on some cost. The performance difference isn't dramatic), Same RAM as above, the G620 does not natively support the 1333MHZ Speed, (defaults to 1066), but you can tighten up timings to offset this.

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102934
The dedicated 6570 is better than the GPU found in the A8-3850 llano chip. This combined with the better per-core performance of the G620 would be able to play most games even better than a llano build. You never know, maybe your dad will want to download minecraft or something

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128527
(Just a nice basic microATX board, nothing to say more)

Case/PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811154107
Quite a bit larger than the little ITX build above, but the lower price of the case/PSU combined with the option to use cheaper HD/Optical (full size stuff) is what makes room in the build for the GPU.

HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136073
(use $10 off promo code)

Optical: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106289
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Dual http again... my darn clipboard doesn't seem to want to copy/paste links properly.
Here's a good link:



I have no reason to believe the i3 2100 can compete reasonably with the A8 APU on an all-around scale. The GPU performance (and driver support) is far from. I find that mITX vs mATX can make little difference depending on the case you end up buying, though. Most of the SFFs sell with the same thickness, or more.
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I have no reason to believe the i3 2100 can compete reasonably with the A8 APU on an all-around scale. The GPU performance (and driver support) is far from. I find that mITX vs mATX can make little difference depending on the case you end up buying, though. Most of the SFFs sell with the same thickness, or more.
Thanks for clearing up the link issue... was wondering about that as I had the same problem with the same link in other places on the forum.

As far as the 2100 vs A8..

The i3-2100 is actually priced closer to the A6-3650. So any comparison made here should be between those 2 CPUs.

The A8-3850 should be compared to a i3-2120 or i3-2105 (take your pick of clock speed or HD3000) based on price point.

The 21XXs perform better than llanos in the vast majority of productivity tasks. The only time llano can pull off a faster performance is with all 4 cores utilized.

On the other hand, the 6530D in the A6 will consistently deliver around twice the FPS performance in games as an HD2000 configured i3. Similarly, a 6550D in the A8 will consistently deliver around twice the FPS performance in games as an HD3000 configured i3. However, if it's gaming performance on a budget that you are looking for there is no reason to use either of these options, as better performing options can be built with lesser CPUs and dedicated GPUs.

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i used one of the a-8 3850 with a gigabyte mobo and 8 gig ram in a cheap build i did recently...it was an amazing unit i would not hesitate to use 1 again
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What does he need all that space for? Find out how many pictures he has and see if an ssd would be doable.

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It's a small budget, he probably couldn't afford to put a good size SSD IB there
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Needs more RAM. Llano LOVES it. Has to use it as both VRAM and DRAM.

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and 8GB G.Skill VALUERAM for pretty cheap.
Uh, he's building a computer for his 69 year old father he doesn't need 8GB of RAM, 4GB will be more than enough.
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