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Poll Results: Which will run the best?

Poll expired: Dec 6, 2011  
  • 0% (0)
    Celeron 2.93ghz 533fsb 256kb NO HT
  • 16% (7)
    Pentium 4 mobile 2.8ghz 533fsb 1m HT
  • 83% (35)
    Pentium 4c 2.8ghz 800fsb 512kb HT
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post #21 of 29
#3...

The Celeron's lack of HT makes it hurt in multitasking and having a slightly higher clock doesn't make up for the difference in HT and cache of the 2nd option.
Celeron is definitely out.
That leaves the other 2 P4s, both at 2.8GHz.
Both with HT.
So there is a difference in cache and bus speed. In this case the difference in the fsb will yield much greater performance than the increase in cache of the other option.
Higher FSB = more performance overall
This makes option #3 the winner.
The only time (correct me if I am wrong) that the #2 with more cache would beat the #3 option is when doing very simple tasks multitasking. Reason being that the additional thread would gain a boost from the availability of that extra cache while not needing much power, given by the higher FSB, to compute.

Anyways. #3 winner 99% of time. Hands down. Wrote this quickly so sorry if I missed anything.

EDIT: lol just realized I am using a p4 right now. P4ee 3.73GHz 1066FSB 2Mb L2c w/ HT (socket 775 though ofc)
Edited by CrazyDiamond - 10/10/11 at 2:52am
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Originally Posted by Hyoketsu View Post
Regarding the mobile variant, it can't be P4-M, since this line didn't have any 2.8GHz CPUs and all of them ran at FSB400. This is the model that's being discussed.
Ah, so there is yet another variant. Either way, it's still a Netburst and not the totally different Pentium M, so it's all but the same thing under a different name.
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So there is a difference in cache and bus speed.
Those aren't the only differences. The one is a Prescott, and the other is a Northwood.
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Mobile Intel Pentium 4 2.80GHzpassmark score 338
Intel Celeron 2.93GHz Passmark score 367
Intel Pentium 4 2.80GHz Passmark score 416
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Those aren't the only differences. The one is a Prescott, and the other is a Northwood.
Don't plan to hardcore OC the Northwood. SNDS, nuff said? lol
Personal experience there...

#3 is the prescott. They ran hotter and consumed more power but performed better and were newer. My P4EE is a prescott.
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Don't plan to hardcore OC the Northwood. SNDS, nuff said? lol
Personal experience there...

#3 is the prescott. They ran hotter and consumed more power but performed better and were newer. My P4EE is a prescott.
SNDS was voltage related I believe. Seems with every new batch of chips it takes a while to figure out saftey of high voltages, see 2X00k degradation.
Presshot was not really a perfomance increase over the earlier Northwoods except at stupid high speeds, coupled with high temperatures in early silicon...

Anyway 3 is a northwood, 512 cache is the give away. Its also my vote.
Edited by Matt86 - 10/11/11 at 2:16am
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SNDS was voltage related I believe. Seems with every new batch of chips it takes a while to figure out saftey of high voltages, see 2X00k degradation.
Presshot was not really a perfomance increase over the earlier Northwoods except at stupid high speeds, coupled with high temperatures in early silicon...

Anyway 3 is a northwood, 512 cache is the give away. Its also my vote.
Isn't a prescott like 11% higher performance clock to clock with the northwood? I could be wrong.

And yes, SNDS was caused once you start getting above the 1.7v mark. Cpu would slowly become unstable before suicide.

EDIT: and yes, my bad, #3 is a northwood. http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL6WJ.html
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Prescott was, at the time, generally accepted to be equal and/or slightly slower at a given clock speed. However, certain things (Doom 3 comes to mind) saw increases, and I'm not sure if a Prescott would do better these days, though.

For example, I'd take a 3.2GHz 2M Cedar Mill (which is a Prescott) over the a Northwood at the same speed. On LGA 775, those 65nm Prescotts ran rather cool and overclocked like no tomorrow. Many had 64-bit capabilities as well. If we're talking more about socket 478, and at slower speeds like 2.8GHz, and using the 90nm 1M Prescott for comparison instead, I'd go for the Northwood.

Given that the Prescott in question has a slower FSB as well, I'd lean more towards the Northwood.
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Prescott was, at the time, generally accepted to be equal and/or slightly slower at a given clock speed. However, certain things (Doom 3 comes to mind) saw increases, and I'm not sure if a Prescott would do better these days, though.

For example, I'd take a 3.2GHz 2M Cedar Mill (which is a Prescott) over the a Northwood at the same speed. On LGA 775, those 65nm Prescotts ran rather cool and overclocked like no tomorrow. Many had 64-bit capabilities as well. If we're talking more about socket 478, and at slower speeds like 2.8GHz, and using the 90nm 1M Prescott for comparison instead, I'd go for the Northwood.

Given that the Prescott in question has a slower FSB as well, I'd lean more towards the Northwood.
Yeah Option #3 here is definitely the winner regardless. The higher fsb is key.
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